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Darth Percocet
Posted: Saturday, March 5, 2011 11:48:14 AM
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Is it just me or is there thread topic's being shut down left & right for no reason. (i know this is gonna be locked just because im hitting on this topic even though im not baiting or starting trouble with anyone & not naming any names its still gonna be shut down just because thats whats been happening alot lately)

Anyways i was over in the trade section of the forums & i believe a user Big D made a poll in which he asked if people who scam should be banned from bloomilk. In no way did he mention anyones names he just spoke freedom of speach & his opinion & asked others opinions.

I for one agree with him & obviously so did 6 more people who voted the top choice untill the thread was shut down. in no way did i see any fighting or baiting. I think he had a good point. I just dont understand whats going on, seems like the mods are shutting down topic's for the littlest reasons anymore. pretty soon theres gonna be no open topics on bloomilk. When i first became a member it wasnt this bad & you would think it would ease up seeing that the game ending & gamerz making vsets trying to keep people in the game that it would be a little more nonstrict to keep people coming here instead of locking everything up because 1 person thinks its gonna start trouble.

I mean some of the topic's i seen locked up & for what reason was mentioned by a mod who did it made me laugh because it made absolutely no sense. There wasnt anything wrong with the discussion at all. Now when sithflyonbasalisk and he who should not be named were blastin non stop post on bloomilk it took weeks to lock up there post & they have been around for a good while but yet threads are getting locked up i would say 5 of every 10 post. Like dude lightin up its a forum where people communicate & are friends with another, Again im not pointing fingers at any specific mod because im friends with pretty much all of them, im just saying in paticular ease up we wanna keep users playing the game not driving them away.

PS heres what i was gonna post on the poll on Big D's thread. & by the way i choose choice 1.
Well im glad Big D made this thread here because i agree with him. People feel like its the end of the game so go out with a bang & jack as many free mini's from peope you can. Man the scamming rate shot up this last year. Im in the high +80's on the GTL & never had a BTL ref ever for the 90 day or anything i dont think not 1 trade i ever did went bad. Im actually selling most of my mini's off lately & dont come on much anymore but still find time to keep in touch with who im dealing with at the moment.

The worst thing you can do is leave someone hanging & wondering why they had great communications with you before the trade but now cant get in touch with you after sending out. Hey they are small plastic pieces but they are alot of money. I say in these times what i would do is just deal with 1 person at a time. Me im dealing with 1 users right now thats why i havent upped my trade list / sale list. Untill im done with him. This way if anything were to go wrong say i was a scammer than he would be able to report me before i got anyone else ya know.

I say make it a rule to where you can only trade with a max 2 people at a time because the scams mainly come when someones going on a scam binge thats when one day 90 people will post on the BTL all of a sudden sayin the same user got them all. I say you should make a thread in which you have to post on who your dealing with at the time being, dont have to be for what for or anything & make it 2 trades at a time per user this way you can check this list to see if there in deal's with someone already & 5 people dont get scammed at once from the same user, thats just me.

Anywho good thread big D & i say 100% people scamming should be banned.
Sithborg
Posted: Saturday, March 5, 2011 12:19:58 PM
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Yes, where was that thread going to go to. Based on the threads this past week, I had no confidence that that thread wasn't going to go down in flames. There was no way it was going to stay clean. Sorry, but that is the reality. Other threads were moved, and names were edited out, so other mods had similar ideas.

But thank you for making my decision so much easier. See you all in a week, maybe.

Darth Percocet
Posted: Saturday, March 5, 2011 12:47:40 PM
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Sithborg wrote:
Yes, where was that thread going to go to. Based on the threads this past week, I had no confidence that that thread wasn't going to go down in flames. There was no way it was going to stay clean. Sorry, but that is the reality. Other threads were moved, and names were edited out, so other mods had similar ideas.

But thank you for making my decision so much easier. See you all in a week, maybe.



Im not really talking about that thread though, that thread just so happens i wanted to reply so i did here & i seen where it was goin & agree on that one but i mean its alot of threads lately that i seen bein locked that i dont think really should of been, i mean hey its my opinion thats why im not a mod i would probably let stuff go that shouldnt be ya know, but yea not against you scott that thread just brought up what i forgot so i figured id add my 2 cents in at the end of this post what i was gonna post. Theres alot of post though where users are in deep discussions on a topic which may seem heated but doesnt mean its gonna lead to fighting. I mean closing every topic a mod thinks will turn into a fight knocks out any really good topics being heavily discussed on. Before they even get to good points & bad points. I have faith in the mods judgement but i also have faith in the users in a heated discussion to not get out of hand. And i think a topic should only be closed when its in violation not when a mod thinks it will lead to that. Thats what im saying, its my opinion, again no saying anything about you either, its just in general i think topic's should only be locked when there is threats etc not when mods THINK there will be.



Anyways as for bad traders in my opinion stuff happens, i mean yea p.o.'s i could see messin stuff up its gonna happen noones perfect. But at the same time theres users building up collections from other users collections & spent money, i say if a user is gonna scam & its soooooo obvious when its not a p.o. mistake & its the user i would ban the person. I think if people are assuming its a postal thing & keep posting on the board for a warning towards any specific postal system then that user is gonna read that & blame it on the P.O. everytime they scam. I say you get put on the BTL so many times even if you resolve the trade eventually you should be banned your only resolving the issue so that you can scam the next man, seems like scamming issues wont be resolved unless someone mentions they got scammed, so the scammer isnt gonna say anything because hey its getting free mini's, i say ban the user soon as they have mutiple violations with trading when its so obvious they are doing it over & over as they get away with it & then resolve only the issues that get posted. Ban em.
Darth Percocet
Posted: Saturday, March 5, 2011 12:52:11 PM
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Sithborg wrote:
But thank you for making my decision so much easier. See you all in a week, maybe.


Honestly, was there really any need for this comment? please take your time, hey take more than a week by all means please.
qvos
Posted: Saturday, March 5, 2011 2:59:21 PM
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I definitely see your point DP. oftentimes it seems certain mods are trippen when they pull the plug on certain threads. Sometimes it has worked out because some situations have been averted. Afterall there have been times when some have tried to cause problems and it has worked out well having an alert mod. Sometimes though it seems they throw their weight around which really can stifle good conversation and actually hurts the game and the community. Basically it's in the hands of the mods. Its up to them to allow the right amount of converstation without letting it get out of hand.
Think about this though, Being a mod is an unforgiving job. for the most part when things go good, no one says a word. As soon as a mistake is made though, then they take the blame. Ive never been a mod but think of all the time they have to spend watching things. Sometimes if you have a problem with a mod, the best thing to do is pm, i mean Bm them in private to ask why certain things were done. Its not a cure all but it does help to not air things out.
swinefeld
Posted: Saturday, March 5, 2011 3:15:14 PM
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For the record, I moved the other threads yesterday. And I put one of them back.

They contained an ethnic slur, plus, it was not necessary to have three separate threads saying the same things about Kaxel, when the BTL thread already had it covered.

As far as Sithborg locking the poll thread - I probably should have done it myself right after I posted in it. For the exact same reasons he did. The other mods can act on things in the trade forum if they see a need to, especially when I cannot be on Bloo as much as usual, as has been the case recently.

The trading rules are not perfect. I am working on getting an update posted in the near future.

As far as permanently banning scammers from Bloo, that power lies with Shinja alone. I am not against the idea, but the evidence had better be rock solid. When so many traders are being loose about following the guidelines, it leaves a lot of loopholes open for problems.

@qvos - thank you for that. BlooMilk
Biggsy
Posted: Saturday, March 5, 2011 5:12:15 PM
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Personally, i'm fine with the mods shutting down potential bad threads. When they spot a thread that's about to derail, i think it's better to shut it down that to let it escalade.
You can talk all you want about freedom of speech and such, but the mods are here to keep this site clean and friendly for the majority of the people who come here. We don't NEED to see all the crap. Many do want to, because they're curious and love watching the drama. But drama tend to create more drama, and we all know what that leads to in the end. MDB and other losers showed us that.
So for the site to function as smooth as possible, action has to be taken from time to time. I'm cool with that. And i think the current mod team are doing a fantastic job. It's been a pleasure coming here without having to deal with all the crap that went on here for a long time.
qvos
Posted: Saturday, March 5, 2011 10:24:38 PM
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swinefeld wrote:
For the record, I moved the other threads yesterday. And I put one of them back.

They contained an ethnic slur, plus, it was not necessary to have three separate threads saying the same things about Kaxel, when the BTL thread already had it covered.

As far as Sithborg locking the poll thread - I probably should have done it myself right after I posted in it. For the exact same reasons he did. The other mods can act on things in the trade forum if they see a need to, especially when I cannot be on Bloo as much as usual, as has been the case recently.

The trading rules are not perfect. I am working on getting an update posted in the near future.

As far as permanently banning scammers from Bloo, that power lies with Shinja alone. I am not against the idea, but the evidence had better be rock solid. When so many traders are being loose about following the guidelines, it leaves a lot of loopholes open for problems.

@qvos - thank you for that. BlooMilk

No prob. I think we should all realize that nobody is perfect, And I'm not talking about those scammersBigGrin . There will be times when The posters go overboard and then there will be times when The Mods might go a little overboard.I'm just glad that we have a cool site to talk about minis. I'm glad I'm not a mod because of all the time it takes to devote, time perhaps spent away from the family or other hobbies. Thanks again!
billiv15
Posted: Saturday, March 5, 2011 10:55:12 PM
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How about if I started a poll that read, "Should all past banned members have all accounts banned?" Would you expect that to be an issue of free speech?

What's ironic is the guy wanting someone else banned is on what his 25th account? Give me a break. I think its really sad that you guys think its perfectly ok to act as you have for years on here, and still come around and act like others should give a blasted what you say or think. I don't care one bit what BigD/MDB cares about. Every thread he starts should be locked. The guy has been banned like 30 times. You guys have ruined this site, do not blame the mods, do not blame others, look at yourselves and shut the hell up. There was a time when one of the mods on here was part of the problem, that is no longer the case. He lost his job, and eventually his account. Its nothing more than a tiny bit of grace that he has been allowed back here after the garbage he was pulling. On just about any other site, he and MDB would be permabanned no questions asked.
wannabe mexican
Posted: Saturday, March 5, 2011 11:05:56 PM
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I am happy with what the Mods are doing here. They are doing a great job. I find it sad that Sithborg has decided to take a haitus, but he definitely deserves it.
Darth Percocet
Posted: Saturday, March 5, 2011 11:31:40 PM
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billiv15 wrote:
How about if I started a poll that read, "Should all past banned members have all accounts banned?" Would you expect that to be an issue of free speech?

What's ironic is the guy wanting someone else banned is on what his 25th account? Give me a break. I think its really sad that you guys think its perfectly ok to act as you have for years on here, and still come around and act like others should give a blasted what you say or think. I don't care one bit what BigD/MDB cares about. Every thread he starts should be locked. The guy has been banned like 30 times. You guys have ruined this site, do not blame the mods, do not blame others, look at yourselves and shut the hell up. There was a time when one of the mods on here was part of the problem, that is no longer the case. He lost his job, and eventually his account. Its nothing more than a tiny bit of grace that he has been allowed back here after the garbage he was pulling. On just about any other site, he and MDB would be permabanned no questions asked.


whoa whoa whoa, Big D is MDB? i havent been around too much recently ? But even if thats so i still do read the boads & havent seen sean makin any real trouble (saying what i witnessed) & if everyone knows its him & is fine with him here thats not my buisness.

Anyways like i said lastnight im not pointing fingers at mods or even trying to stir the pot up, but i dont understand how this one specific user is still aloud to do trades, the user robbed like 60 times & he only resolves the trade right after someone puts him on the BTL, seems he got a few brand spankin new traders right off the bat that didnt post, he only resolves issues when its mentioned, if it dont get mentioned he dont say nothin & keeps mini's. Just dont get how he's not banned. Back to mods Dave, your doin a great job over on the trade forums & also again this has nothing to do about the poll, the poll happened to spark it back into my mind when i wanted to get off my chest, so this dont have anything to do with that.

And also again i like the mods, all of them im friends with all of them, im not sayin this towards any one mod, what im saying is i just think its ridiculous that theres threads getting shut down left & right for stupid reasons. Like its all little kids here & were tryin to protect them from something. And i used MDB as an example of what these dudes made threads these threads would go on for weeks with more brawling then a friday night hbo fight but yet it took long for them to lock the thread, now if you make a heated point towards someone on a thread that might sound like but obvious it isnt baiting or flaiming could be between a friend & friend it gets locked. Hey i know nothins gonna get changed thats not the point of this, the point of this is nothin, im just speakin my mind & isnt a crime to do so as im not attacking anyone etc. Im just saying i would like (ME) would like to see some lighten up's goin around on posts thats about it. But hey thats just me, & yes this is america im aloud to think that.
Darth Percocet
Posted: Saturday, March 5, 2011 11:36:26 PM
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wannabe mexican wrote:
I am happy with what the Mods are doing here. They are doing a great job. I find it sad that Sithborg has decided to take a haitus, but he definitely deserves it.


Yea as for mods im 100% fine with them too, i have 100% faith in them, but like i said last night i also have 100% faith that the users here will know when stuff gets to far, i just think a thread should be locked when it gets violated, not just because someone thinks its gonna be, let the users resolve discussions IMO. This isnt the U.S.S.R. its a forum i dont know who were protecting the users from. & im not gonna get baited in to talkin smack about the mods or even anyone posting about me on here, why you ask, just because i dont have a problem with the sight, i just had a simple question that still hasnt been answered, is it just me or are the threads getting locked down left & right for really no reason? The mods arent to blame, the users arent to blame, i just dont get it, hey thats just me, was just wonderin why they were getting locked when involving no violation. Simple as that
Darth Percocet
Posted: Saturday, March 5, 2011 11:41:23 PM
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qvos wrote:
Think about this though, Being a mod is an unforgiving job. for the most part when things go good, no one says a word. As soon as a mistake is made though, then they take the blame. Ive never been a mod but think of all the time they have to spend watching things. Sometimes if you have a problem with a mod, the best thing to do is pm, i mean Bm them in private to ask why certain things were done. Its not a cure all but it does help to not air things out.


Now see there goes a good point right there, instead of getting angry or trying to get into a heated discussion, this user made a point and stayed calm & even got me to thinkin, see i have faith in users on this site, this topic has the potential to start wars, right now its fine nothin is getting started, make points, good post gvos very good point.
Urza Planeswalker Jedi Master
Posted: Sunday, March 6, 2011 12:07:32 AM
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All of you make very good points. Yes, sometimes it seems that a thread is locked for no reason, but you do not always see the reason because it is removed. If the post or posts are that bad, the entire thread will be removed and no one has to explain why. If you would like a reason, BM one of us and if it warrants an explantion, we will give it.

As for the Trade Thread lock downs, that was done for review and swinefeld explained why.

I aslo believe certain members deserve a permaban for their actions, but thats something we can't control. It would be nice if the ban hammer worked but people find loopholes around these kind of things. If anyone has a problem witha member, please feel free to BM a mod and we will forward this info to shinja.

As for being a mod here, it is a hard thing to do because all of a sudden your not reading about Star Wars and SWM, your babysitting and making sure no one is pulling anyone elses hair. It can be tiring and I understand why people step down or take an extended break.

Thank to everyone who thinks we're doing a good job and sorry if you don't think that we are doing a good enough one.

As for this thread, I believe it has served its purpose, so for the sake of the community, I will lock before it blows up. I will leave it here for others to read if they would like.

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