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Poll Question : How many Mouse Droids do you have?
Choice Votes Statistics
0 3 4.477611 %
1 3 4.477611 %
2 4 5.970149 %
3 6 8.955223 %
4 10 14.925373 %
5 4 5.970149 %
6 5 7.462686 %
7 5 7.462686 %
8 or more 27 40.298507 %

How many Mouse Droids do you have? Options
Yoto_Yoto
Posted: Saturday, May 7, 2011 11:32:38 PM
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billiv15 wrote:
Seriously people, if you want to play with 20, you have to buy 20. There is no other alternative.
Sure there is. You may not like the alternative, but obviously there is one. Argument by assertion isn't anything. "You can get pieces however you want Bill. You just can. Deal with it." See? Not an argument either.

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You can't do this garbage in any other game, so why on earth do people think it should be allowed in SWMs?
SWM is orphaned, without a corporate sponsor the players are on their own to play under any rules they agree to. Want to make up a V-set? You can. Want to make a rule that says everyone has to play in a sombrero? You can. Tournaments are just like games at home, the players can do whatever they collectively agree to. If people like the rules you set, they come to your tournament, if they don't they don't. If people decide the V-sets are great, then tournament organizers allow them. If people decide they like or don't like proxies they allow or ban them.

If Wizards is sponsoring an event they get to set the rules. If their not, they don't. That's the reality of what people are able to do. The question becomes what should the rules be, not what they are. What does Soresu mastery apply to? Is there a 33 point version of Bastilla? Without Wizards, the question becomes "What should Soresu apply to in order to make the best game." The question isn't "Is Bastilla Jedi Master a legal published character?" it's "Does having Bastilla Jedi Master make the game better or worse."

Do proxies make the game better or worse?

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Just because we've decided to continue to add to our great game, does not mean anything goes. At home, sure, do what you want, I'm not talking about that.
Why not? At home or at a tournament the players sit down and agree to what sort of game they want to play.

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Do you also show up to tournaments with your homemade Boba BH card (downloaded from online picture) and your custom Boba because you didn't want to pay for one? Why should you think it's ok to do with mice?
Clarity. It should be really clear what your pieces are. I can make Mouse Droids you can't tell from the Wizards ones without close inspection. If I plunk down a homemade Mandalorian or a Rebel Storm Boba it's a problem if my opponent has to keep reminding himself which of the many versions of Boba it is.

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It's a big advantage in some games, and as a judge or opposing player, I wouldn't allow it.

Lets talk about what the advantage is. If it just cost I can't agree with you. Games should be contests of skill, not who spends more. Suppose the World Chess Federation announced that in official games, players could have as many queens as they wanted at $50 each. If the only argument is cost I'm not seeing the difference.
countrydude82487
Posted: Sunday, May 8, 2011 6:25:16 AM
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Why not? At home or at a tournament the players sit down and agree to what sort of game they want to play.

Not exactly. at home you may do that but at a competitive tournament, the rules are generally preset. You dont sit dont at every tournament and ask "what rules do you want to play by?"

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Lets talk about what the advantage is. If it just cost I can't agree with you. Games should be contests of skill, not who spends more. Suppose the World Chess Federation announced that in official games, players could have as many queens as they wanted at $50 each. If the only argument is cost I'm not seeing the difference.


it is an advantage. if you only have 2 mouse droids, and want to play 14 so you are using 12 customs i personally think you should have to follow the rules. IF it is 1 mouse droid than yeah its not a huge problem. Its like if someone wanted to play 4 or 5 storm commandos but only had 1. They are meant to be hard to find that is what the rarity system was made for. Sure mouse droids cost a little more but that is the cost of playing this game. they are not saying that it will cost you $50 a piece wither, and your example with chess is a completely different situation anyway. a better example would have been if we allowed more than 1 Thrawn in play but the price was raised. That isn't going to happen anyway. And the game is still a contest of skill, but not everyone has every piece. GO back to the example with Magic the gathering. i played magic for quite a while. You dont always have every card. THe people that do spend horrendous amounts of money doing so. our game is cheap in comparison, but it might still cost to have a good squad. that is how the competitive gaming world works. Go look at any other competitive game and tell me that it isn't going to cost to get a good piece. $8 really isn't that bad considering. My best friend played dnd minis back before the 4.0 switch and he actually bought 4 a of an uncommon for $15 a piece because it was very useful.
saber1
Posted: Monday, May 9, 2011 1:42:55 AM
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billiv15 wrote:
Do you go to Magic Tournaments and play with your computer generated Black Lotus? Would you go a Yugio tournament and expect to be allowed to play with your homemade copies of the latest green eyed dragon cards? Do you also show up to tournaments with your homemade Boba BH card (downloaded from online picture)...?
I would most certainly not allow you to play with something like this, unless you had enough cards for each mini.


What are your thoughts on playing WotC minis with printed cards? Many don't have the proper card in the booster and finding a match is not easy. The mini was purchased, meeting your investment criteria for the piece, but has a unofficial card.
billiv15
Posted: Monday, May 9, 2011 2:24:55 AM
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saber1 wrote:
billiv15 wrote:
Do you go to Magic Tournaments and play with your computer generated Black Lotus? Would you go a Yugio tournament and expect to be allowed to play with your homemade copies of the latest green eyed dragon cards? Do you also show up to tournaments with your homemade Boba BH card (downloaded from online picture)...?
I would most certainly not allow you to play with something like this, unless you had enough cards for each mini.


What are your thoughts on playing WotC minis with printed cards? Many don't have the proper card in the booster and finding a match is not easy. The mini was purchased, meeting your investment criteria for the piece, but has a unofficial card.


Well, that's never been legal.
Bombad
Posted: Monday, May 9, 2011 6:11:03 AM
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Man am I glad I play at home!Flapper
Xeonaught
Posted: Monday, May 9, 2011 10:00:10 AM
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just bought 8 of them off a website for 5 aus $ each. get em while i can much, lol our group that play regularly bought out pretty much their entitre stock, all 33 of them
Xeonaught
Posted: Monday, May 9, 2011 10:11:39 AM
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countrydude82487 wrote:
[quote]it is an advantage. if you only have 2 mouse droids, and want to play 14 so you are using 12 customs i personally think you should have to follow the rules. IF it is 1 mouse droid than yeah its not a huge problem. Its like if someone wanted to play 4 or 5 storm commandos but only had 1. They are meant to be hard to find that is what the rarity system was made for. Sure mouse droids cost a little more but that is the cost of playing this game. they are not saying that it will cost you $50 a piece wither, and your example with chess is a completely different situation anyway. a better example would have been if we allowed more than 1 Thrawn in play but the price was raised. That isn't going to happen anyway. And the game is still a contest of skill, but not everyone has every piece. GO back to the example with Magic the gathering. i played magic for quite a while. You dont always have every card. THe people that do spend horrendous amounts of money doing so. our game is cheap in comparison, but it might still cost to have a good squad. that is how the competitive gaming world works. Go look at any other competitive game and tell me that it isn't going to cost to get a good piece. $8 really isn't that bad considering. My best friend played dnd minis back before the 4.0 switch and he actually bought 4 a of an uncommon for $15 a piece because it was very useful.


I completely agree, this game is alot more skill based then how deep your pockets are. A skilled player would be able to build a decent squad with about 20 dollars if they know who to buy, and usually the guys who have spent a horrendous amount are collectors to and probly wont play all their pieces. I mean you can get a pretty decent NR squad for not alot of money. its when you want more squads that do more things thats when the price goes up. as for the proxy thing I have a friend who always trys to proxy speeders lol he has one clone on speeder and a scout trooper on speeder and he uses one for the other alot, now whilst this dosnt really bother me in fun matchs, if it were a tourniment or a ranking match then i wouldnt have a bar of it, Id let him proxy a figure if he had the legal WOTC made card or the figure with no card and just proxy the card but as for doing a whole piece its just not on, might aswell go buy a whole bunch of jawas and print off some stats. harsh I know but if you want to run a squad with two speeders then go buy two speeders.
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