Makes sense completely actually, Very well explained.

But if say a kel dor bounty hunter was to explode 3 squares away yjat wouldnt damage lumiya unless it was her attacking turn. so she kills it

On the side notes, I don't know if I am correct about this, but let me know otherwise (it gets kind of confusing)...

If 2 characters are adjacent to Lumiya and Kel-Dor is 3 squares away, Lumiya then defeats the Kel-Dor with Melee Reach 3, what would happen to the characters that are adjacent to her? I believe that the 2 characters adjacent from Lumiya would be unaffected because they were not technically adjacent to Kel-Dor in the first place... only Lumiya's melee reach is treated as adjacent to Kel-Dor.

Now another part that get's tricky... if GML and 2 characters were adjacent. Lumiya attacks and GML then Djem So'ed against Lumiya 3 squares away, thus defeating her, the characters adjacent to GML will be affected because during the duration of Lumiya's attack, it is treated adjacent for all purposes....and because as Lumiya attacks, and Djem So responded on that attack... the 2 character's adjacent to GML will be affected by her Self-destruct 40 since Lumiya's attack is treated adjacent.

Now if there are interactions between Melee reach vs Melee reach characters, such as Wookiee Elite Warrior(WEW) vs Lumiya... WEW is 2 squares away from Lumiya and 2 characters are adjacent to WEW. If WEW attacks and defeats Lumiya, WEW will be affected by her Self-Destruct 40, but the 2 adjacent characters will not be affected because they are not adjacent to Lumiya to begin with. Only when Lumiya attacks is when her ability can Self-Destruct within her melee reach.

They would not be affected by the Kel Dor's SD. While Lumiya may be adjacent to the Kel Dor, those adjacent to her are not.



They are only affected if they are within 3 of Lumiya, since MR only makes them adjacent to Lumiya.



Correct.

This is why we have to take what is printed on the card or in the glossary literally. I can see the common sense behind what Xeonaught is saying because of how that type of weapon works but the text just doesn't leave room for common sense. We can all see where if someone with a whip smacked the crap out of someone with a sword from 8 feet away (assuming no one moved) couldn't be hit with the sword (barring it being thrown) no matter how much they swung it. For characters that used melee attacks that could reach further than adjacent character it should have been worded differently. Instead of "treats enemies up to 3 squares away as adjacent" something more like "melee attack range of 3" or whatever. These are the kind of things though that the tournament rule stampers should adjust or you can have your own "house rules" within your gaming groups on things such as this and other rules that don't seem to fit into the realm of common sense. If you did do this though you would have to make sure that you made some kind of "group amended rules" in hard copy form so that everyone would know the changes and to give new members a heads up.

There were a few issues with this particular ability. Originally, it worked much differently. If you're confused by the current method, the old way would have put you in the looney bin. And the second thing is that most of the early characters with Melee Reach were the monsters that are sticking a claw or whatever out to get you, and if they can reach you with their claw, you can reach something that can be equally "hurt". And then there's the idea that damage is an abstraction. Han Solo can't literally be hit by 8 stormtrooper blaster shots and be okay. So things like fatigue and morale are factored in. So Riposte is also an abstraction that doesn't mean the character necessarily needs to be reached. Perhaps their fighting style is just making it more difficult than usual and that manifests as "damage" in some sense in the cases where the direct physical bit doesn't work as well.

Put that all together, and when we realized that the old Melee Reach rules just were not working, and we wanted a simple alternative, the "everything adjacent" was the least objectionable interpretation that still fit with what is written on the cards.

SWM History Class dismissed.

lol agreed, i was reading back at what i was sayig and totaly face palm'd as to how young and foolish i was haha oh youth. na it makes sense now, thanks guys.