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adamb0nd
Posted: Monday, May 16, 2011 5:56:22 AM
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Bombad wrote:
I thought it was because it didn't follow the normal targeting restriction, like UTF60 and LS Sweep.
Im not sure about great cleave (never heard of it), but as far as cleave goes, I thought it was only once per turn for said character, where as Leia's CE is boundless. Like I said previously, its been a while.BlooMilk


Sorry, ive been saying "Great cleave". Its called "rolling cleave" in this game (similar ability in dungeons and dragons by the other name). I also may have said "Batterying assault" when I meant "Battering charge", the ability that the new ani-padme on reek has.

I thought that the following was possible:

ABC
D

OOO
OOO
OOO

Let A through D represent single enemies. Let The 3x3 O's represent the base of Anakin and padme on reek. Assuming it has rolling cleave, could he not move forward, use battering charge, defeat D, rolling cleave one square foward to this scenario:

ABC
OOO
OOO
OOO

Now, he gets a free attack, lets assume he uses this free cleave hit to hit and defeat A. This is all clear to me, we end up with:

BC
OOO
OOO
OOO

Now, could he continue his battering charge and attack B and C? Or, does his turn end there? It seems clear that if this was blaster barrage, he could not. But i I had asked prior in a different thread (http://www.bloomilk.com/Forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=9292) if this would work, and the consensus was, yes, the ani-padme reek would continue to attack B and C with Battering Charge.

If this is the case, i don't understand why. Or, i guess If it is the case, I don't understand why not when used in junction with leah's ce, or when using blaster barrage instead.

Hope those clarifications help, as i was starting to confuse myself.
NickName
Posted: Monday, May 16, 2011 6:31:19 AM
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Blaster Barrage and Furious Assault are an exception to the typical rules because they are explicitly defined as such to avoid certain cases that were undesirable to the designers. (Personally, I would have preferred they remained simple instead, but it was established early on before I was NetRep and it ended up causing various problems down the line.)

So you ignore those as being precidents for how stuff that's silent on the matter is treated. Battering Charge is silent on the matter, so it behaves like others that are also silent--ie all the ones that allow the "lawnmower effect".
Bombad
Posted: Monday, May 16, 2011 6:43:40 AM
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Remind me to never use Battering charge lol.
adamb0nd
Posted: Monday, May 16, 2011 6:47:18 AM
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NickName wrote:
Blaster Barrage and Furious Assault are an exception to the typical rules because they are explicitly defined as such to avoid certain cases that were undesirable to the designers. (Personally, I would have preferred they remained simple instead, but it was established early on before I was NetRep and it ended up causing various problems down the line.)

So you ignore those as being precidents for how stuff that's silent on the matter is treated. Battering Charge is silent on the matter, so it behaves like others that are also silent--ie all the ones that allow the "lawnmower effect".


BlooMilk

I think i see it all clearly now. If Blaster Barrage did not have these limitations, there would be nothing from preventing you from shooting your way through targets providing cover (defeat a target, and now the character who had been in cover behind him is a legal target). Thanks for the clarification.
Sithborg
Posted: Monday, May 16, 2011 9:01:40 AM
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NickName wrote:
Blaster Barrage and Furious Assault are an exception to the typical rules because they are explicitly defined as such to avoid certain cases that were undesirable to the designers. (Personally, I would have preferred they remained simple instead, but it was established early on before I was NetRep and it ended up causing various problems down the line.)

So you ignore those as being precidents for how stuff that's silent on the matter is treated. Battering Charge is silent on the matter, so it behaves like others that are also silent--ie all the ones that allow the "lawnmower effect".


Thanks for reinforcing my first instinct with Battering Charge. Reading over the Resolving Effects made me start to doubt my first instinct, with another Galloping/Strafe situation.
NickName
Posted: Monday, May 16, 2011 12:21:24 PM
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It's a tough one for sure. The worst part was Furious Assualt being introduced and expected to work just like BB but not having all the matching wording. I haven't reread Resolving Effects today to see how it applies, but I can totally believe we may have worded it to be more generalized at the time to account for Furious rather than just fixing Furious.
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