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CC-23478
Posted: Monday, September 12, 2011 1:30:48 PM
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As I was thinking about ideas for a new boba or jango fett the thought occured to me....what about Zam......she was the only memorable bounty hunter from the movies that got only one mini (cad bane wasn't in any movies and he also had the exception of being a recent edition to the game)

Aurra sing only got 2 minis, both of which - though the original is decent - haven't been a part of the meta for a long time.....

I think an idea for a fourth set could be an "emissaries and assassins" set, where we could get a new boba (maybe 2, since people want both young and old ones) and a new jango, a new Zam, a new aura sing, maybe greedo if he isn't in cantina brawl,and any other hunters I missed ( a d'harhan would be kriffing awesome)

(the thought just dawned on me that we have more minis of 4-lom than jango)

Any other hunters you'd like to see?
Maybe Cradossk?
A new calo nord?

And any abilities?
I'd love to see what you guys (especially Saber1) can come up with for clawdites......
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hah, Cradossk feels pretty obscure these days. I was excited about that book series when it came out, but was also kind of bored by it. But whatever, it would be cool to see a Cradossk, with some kind of Bounty Hunter CE that gives them a fun push.

Yeah I'd also like to see a Zam as well, maybe give her a shapeshift ability like Illusion to help avoid damage, something basic or better thought out.

As for a new Aurra Sing, that would be awesome. I can think of a lot of great ways to portray a new one. I'll have to make stats later for fun.
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hah, Cradossk feels pretty obscure these days. I was excited about that book series when it came out, but was also kind of bored by it. But whatever, it would be cool to see a Cradossk, with some kind of Bounty Hunter CE that gives them a fun push.

Yeah I'd also like to see a Zam as well, maybe give her a shapeshift ability like Illusion to help avoid damage, something basic or better thought out.

As for a new Aurra Sing, that would be awesome. I can think of a lot of great ways to portray a new one. I'll have to make stats later for fun.


Since she could feed off of the fear of her enemies I think she could use an ability sorta like bravado but the opposite.....
"sadistic hunger: +4 attack and +10 damage against living enemies in 6 squares with a printed cost of 20 or less"
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I think a ce like this:

NON-UNIQUE BOUNTY HUNTERS GAIN ASSASSIN.

That would give some of the old pieces like the devaronian bounty hunter a push.......


Also, a vilmahr grahk would be bloody awesome
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Posted: Monday, September 12, 2011 1:53:54 PM
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CC-23478 wrote:
I think a ce like this:

NON-UNIQUE BOUNTY HUNTERS GAIN ASSASSIN.

That would give some of the old pieces like the devaronian bounty hunter a push.......


Also, a vilmahr grahk would be bloody awesome


I've been asking for a Villie well before WOTC ended the game. It needs to happen already.. sheesh!

Yeah a nice non unique BH CE is good, and maybe a small bonus for the uniques as well, maybe a Defense boost as most are already doing great on offense.

oh and as for Aurra and the sadistic hunger. I'd say against enemies who have taken any damage. seeing that they are hurt, they have something to fear.
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Dimetrodon wrote:
CC-23478 wrote:
I think a ce like this:

NON-UNIQUE BOUNTY HUNTERS GAIN ASSASSIN.

That would give some of the old pieces like the devaronian bounty hunter a push.......


Also, a vilmahr grahk would be bloody awesome


I've been asking for a Villie well before WOTC ended the game. It needs to happen already.. sheesh!

Yeah a nice non unique BH CE is good, and maybe a small bonus for the uniques as well, maybe a Defense boost as most are already doing great on offense.

oh and as for Aurra and the sadistic hunger. I'd say against enemies who have taken any damage. seeing that they are hurt, they have something to fear.


I had thought about an affect against wounded characters.....but the I thought of Bane, where if she'd shoot him he would be more pissed than scared.......
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that goes for both Banes I bet lol
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that goes for both Banes I bet lol


Meh, a clone (denal) messed bane up pretty easy......and a 14 year old kid beat him in a fist fight......so I dunno how he'd fare againt Aura haha
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Those guys are definitely possibilities. Zam is a piece that I've wanted to see for a while now. Hopefully the guys working on set 4 will make her, since that set is more Fringe-focused. One idea I've heard for her that I think is pretty neat is

Shapeshifter (This character can count as any species)

Since Vong is a faction in our game it doesn't interact with Shaper/Scarification/etc., but she could do stuff like get Superstealth and +4 attack from Niles, get +4 attack and Evade from A'Sharad, get Wookiee-specific stuff from a few people, things like that.

I hadn't really thought much of a new Aurra, but I imagine we will get a new one of her sooner or later.
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Echo24 wrote:
Those guys are definitely possibilities. Zam is a piece that I've wanted to see for a while now. Hopefully the guys working on set 4 will make her, since that set is more Fringe-focused. One idea I've heard for her that I think is pretty neat is

Shapeshifter (This character can count as any species)

Since Vong is a faction in our game it doesn't interact with Shaper/Scarification/etc., but she could do stuff like get Superstealth and +4 attack from Niles, get +4 attack and Evade from A'Sharad, get Wookiee-specific stuff from a few people, things like that.

I hadn't really thought much of a new Aurra, but I imagine we will get a new one of her sooner or later.


That's a spin on shapeshifter that I hadn't expected......maybe give her that and cloaked rather than making a new stealth type ability.....or maybe an ability like pheromones but at range
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Echo24 wrote:
Hopefully the guys working on set 4 will make her, since that set is more Fringe-focused.


Who is the design team for set 4 and where is that information (lead designers/playtesters/etc) posted? Or is the team even set yet?
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FlyingArrow wrote:
Echo24 wrote:
Hopefully the guys working on set 4 will make her, since that set is more Fringe-focused.


Who is the design team for set 4 and where is that information (lead designers/playtesters/etc) posted? Or is the team even set yet?


Honestly I don't think or know if everything is set yet. So by "guys" I mean "whoever is doing it", since I don't know myself exactly who the design team is, lol. All I know is that I wasn't tapped for it, so I'll probably be going to just be a playtester, maybe helping lead it again if the position is open. It will probably be at least a month or two before all that is announced.
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I really like the idea that Echo gave in making the ability Shapeshifter for Zam Wessel. Giving her acess to many of the racial CE's would be a nice boost and make for some interesting builds (imagine her with the Jawa Chiefs CECool ). I was also thinking of a way to make her more of a surprising character. Maybe another new ability that makes enemies take a -4 to saves against this characters special abilities. That way Kohun Infestation is more effective as well as Jolt or Grenades if she was ever given them. I could see her having the pilot ability since she did have a long chase in the speeder in Corusant. Give her Grenades with a Rodian Trader and combine her with Jon "Dutch" Vander and she will have Grenades 30. She should definetly have Accurate Shot (i mean c'mon she took out that little ASN Assasin Droid with Obiwan hanging on it at a very long distance). And as in the older version of her, Loner and Stealth fits perfectly. Maybe even add the new ability Assasin to her. I would really like to see another Zam Wessel, and hope the designers attempt to make an interesting piece of her if they decide to make her in a future set.

I would like to see another Aurra Sing with Blaster Barrage. The 41pt cost one never see's play mostly cause she has no Accurate Shot and she only has a base 10 damage. Considering how good peices like Arica are in comparison, I feel a more beefier version could be made that costs similarly to Aurra Sing,Jedi Hunter that also has Sniper, since in the Clone Wars TV series she was seen picking of Senate Commando's at long range with a Sniper rifle when Cad Bane was attacking the Senate.

I would absolutely love another Jango Fett also. Missiles 30, Jedi Hunter (should definitely be on him) and Deadeye are some of the abilities I'd like to see. Maybe a Flamethrower 30?
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Echo24 wrote:

All I know is that I wasn't tapped for it, so I'll probably be going to just be a playtester, maybe helping lead it again if the position is open.


Who does the tapping? Where is that information posted?
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Echo24 wrote:

Shapeshifter (This character can count as any species)

Since Vong is a faction in our game it doesn't interact with Shaper/Scarification/etc., but she could do stuff like get Superstealth and +4 attack from Niles, get +4 attack and Evade from A'Sharad, get Wookiee-specific stuff from a few people, things like that.


I like the idea, but it does introduce a new game term. I don't think species currently has an in-game definition.
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Definitely a cool twist on a shapeshift ability, I really like that one Echo.

anyway Time for Aurra Sing. I think she should be a strong ranged character for sure, and also quite capable in close quarters combat. While also giving her the ability to sneak around as an Assassin would, with her Stealth. Not enough stealth bounty hunters.

Not a perfect rendition by any means, but it's along the lines of what I would like to see of the character. How I think she might be best represented with a balance of ranged and "melee" type combat. This is also based mostly on her comic appearances as well.

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Aurra Sing, Assassin for Hire
Fringe
Cost 57

Hit Points 130
Defense 21
Attack +11
Damage 20

Unique (Counts as a character named Nashtah)
Stealth
Twin Attack
Accurate Shot
Sniper
Assassin (+4 attack and +10 damage against living enemies)
Stolen Lightsaber (Attacks against adjacent characters with a Force rating critically hit with a natural roll of 18,19, or 20)


Force 3

Lightsaber Assault
Lightsaber Riposte



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FlyingArrow wrote:
Echo24 wrote:

Shapeshifter (This character can count as any species)

Since Vong is a faction in our game it doesn't interact with Shaper/Scarification/etc., but she could do stuff like get Superstealth and +4 attack from Niles, get +4 attack and Evade from A'Sharad, get Wookiee-specific stuff from a few people, things like that.


I like the idea, but it does introduce a new game term. I don't think species currently has an in-game definition.



I think that's been a definition in the game since ROTS when update gave wookiees bodyguard and the manual said that chewbacca and tarrful also count as wookiees
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Definitely a cool twist on a shapeshift ability, I really like that one Echo.

anyway Time for Aurra Sing. I think she should be a strong ranged character for sure, and also quite capable in close quarters combat. While also giving her the ability to sneak around as an Assassin would, with her Stealth. Not enough stealth bounty hunters.

Not a perfect rendition by any means, but it's along the lines of what I would like to see of the character. How I think she might be best represented with a balance of ranged and "melee" type combat. This is also based mostly on her comic appearances as well.

Quote:
Aurra Sing, Assassin for Hire
Fringe
Cost 57

Hit Points 130
Defense 21
Attack +11
Damage 20

Unique (Counts as a character named Nashtah)
Stealth
Twin Attack
Accurate Shot
Sniper
Assassin (+4 attack and +10 damage against living enemies)
Stolen Lightsaber (Attacks against adjacent characters with a Force rating critically hit with a natural roll of 18,19, or 20)


Force 3

Lightsaber Assault
Lightsaber Riposte





Isn't stolen Lightsaber basically vaapaad?
I could see her getting vicious and deadly attack



Thought just ocurred to me.....most fringe characters favor a certain team......could we possibly see pieces with rapport for a set faction?

Dash for rebels, boba for empire, jango and sing for seps, villie for republic.....etc
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FlyingArrow wrote:
Echo24 wrote:

All I know is that I wasn't tapped for it, so I'll probably be going to just be a playtester, maybe helping lead it again if the position is open.


Who does the tapping? Where is that information posted?


It's not posted yet. The design committee as a whole (not just the designers, but also the playtesters, project lead, etc.) usually discuss who's doing what for the next set. As a rule we're keeping at least 1 person who has done the job before in the next set, so if there are 2 lead playtesters 1 of them has done it before while 1 of them is potentially new, and if there are 3 designers at least 1 of them has been a designer before. The new person in the role is generally someone who has helped with other parts of the process before and someone that the committee believes would do a good job.

For set 1 I signed up as a playtester in the thread for it, and just received a PM from Bill with information and stats to test. A couple of months before testing for set 2 began, Weeks and myself got PMs from Bill asking if we would like to be the lead playtesters for that set . For set 3, I actually got a text message from Ray asking if I would like to help design the set. The conversation for set 4 is currently ongoing.

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I like the idea, but it does introduce a new game term. I don't think species currently has an in-game definition.


Yeah, we would have to define "species" in the rules insert for the set. Thankfully, though, this would actually be a rule that more or less follows common sense. The rules insert would have a comprehensive list of species used in the game (and of course would be updated if we ever added any more), but I'm sure most players could figure out how it worked. The only oddity would be the fact that things like Shaper that give a bonus to Yuuzhan Vong aren't giving it to the Vong species, but the Vong faction (that's why things like the Chazrach can get Shaper even though in canon they aren't of the Vong species; in the game they are part of the Vong faction, which is what Shaper identifies).
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CC-23478 wrote:
Thought just ocurred to me.....most fringe characters favor a certain team......could we possibly see pieces with rapport for a set faction?

Dash for rebels, boba for empire, jango and sing for seps, villie for republic.....etc


That's not a bad idea, but it would have to just be Rapport -1, because if you reduced their cost by more than 1 you would have a Fringe piece that's either undercosted in one faction or overcosted in all factions except one. That's a common problem with designing Fringe pieces, though; we try to make them so that they are more or less balanced across all factions, or at least multiple factions. If they're only going to be played in one faction, why not just make another piece in that faction? Obviously we don't always manage to do this as it's pretty difficult, especially with things like Droids who are just so much better in Seps than in other factions.
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