without a doubt the naboo pilot/trooper squad is the worst thing to ever happen to star wars miniatures. the battle of theed set should have never been made legal without proper playtesing and its obvious to everyone that these naboo a-holes never saw any playtesting.

without a doubt these naboo pilots need to be banned.

what say you? wizards banned gowk so this isnt a new concept. this is the worst mistake the vsets have made.

{from my phone, sorry for no capitalization}

There are always going to be pieces and teams that are better than others, that is just the nature of the game, there is no need to ban something simply because it is annoying, or because it is good. Banning is totally over the top, and I honestly disagreed with the WotC ban on GOWK, even though he was a pain to kill. Banning also adds an unneeded layer of complexity to the game, and forces players to try to remember what pieces they can play, and what ones they can't. And lastly, as the old saying goes: if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

While I agree that the Naboo "death-shot" squads are incredibly annoying, I also agree that banning them is quite out of the question. When I first ran into Nom-Bomb squads, I thought Nom should be banned for how rediculous those squads were, especially after the V-Sets came out with the Vong Worker and made those squads that much bigger and more effective, but I realized that there were ways to beat those squads and that they weren't necessarily as bad as I thought they were. It's the same situation here. If you throw together the right pieces in a squad, the ARF Troopers can do exactly the same thing as the Naboo Pilots (see http://www.bloomilk.com/Squad/107845/dont-base-me--bro ); though the ARF squad may not be as good, both squads allow pieces to "death-shot" twice for a total of 90 DMG if both attacks hit. I do think the way the pieces were created and the CEs that would affect them could have been better thought out so as to not make them so powerful for such a low-cost piece, but there's absolutely no reason to ban them.

I vote a big fat NO to banning pieces. Any pieces. Some turn out to be a little more powerful than the designers had anticipated, but we'll just have to work our way around that and beat the crap out of them (the pieces, not the designers ) in some way.

The Naboo Pilots are powerful, yes. But nowhere near unbeatable, and certainly not meriting a ban

calm cool ocean breeze
think of that and relax

the group that have the authority to eliminate a piece from sanctioned play(ban)
is the same group that created the piece

think that will happen?

bastilla can counter this and many CE heavy squads
jump on the OR bandwagon!
winner of Gen Con "11



FYI-Gowk was "banned" by DCI,not WotC

No, he should have been banned. GOWK at that time period was so detrimental to the competitive game that players pretty much had to make a GOWK squad, an Anti-GOWK squad, or an Anti-anti-GOWK squad and hoped they didn't face GOWK. He had effectively decimated the meta, which is exceptionally unhealthy for any game like SWM.

Yes, he was beatable, but the problem was that unless you could counter SSM, it would take almost the entire hour to do it, and that's not even factoring in the rest of his squad.

I seriously don't get what people have issues with Mace for. He costs 65 points for what he does. He has barely any defense against ranged combat (lightsaber reflect will only last as long as he has the force points to do it), and no defense against melee attacks (unless you consider riposting a defense). When I see Mace, I see only 60 dmg a round against my shooters. Relying on crits to win isn't a good strategy, as most of the time the crit will come when the opponent is nearly dead anyways. Its mostly overkill a lot of the time. The one really nice thing about Mace is his movement and the ability to take out low HP commanders, and provide a deterant against melee beatsticks. Does that mean he needs to be errata'd or banned? NO. Bastilla was needed for the OR, so I have no problem with her.

Naboo pilots shouldn't be banned. Do I think they were poorly designed? Yes. Did they recieve enough playtesting? No. But the fact that there are other top tier squads that can beat them proves that they aren't worthy to be banned. Naboo Pilots are one of the most aggressively costed peices I have ever seen and would have prefered to see Bravado +10 instead of +20, but we will just have to live with it for now. Any squad with disruptive can beat Naboo Pilots. HK-47 can kill 2 pilots a round and not worry about bravado insane damage deathshots. I ran a HK-47/Bastilla build in a regional and it would have LOVED to have gone against a Naboo Pilots/Trooper squad. Instead of claiming it should be banned, try to find creative competitive ways to beat it.

I said CLOSEST. Mainly due to the number of complaints I've seen.

The thing is that none of those pieces should be banned. Erratas are more likely. Not that we are discussing the subject on how to fix any of those pieces, but that would be next step before banning occurs. None of those pieces are so broken that you can't tweak a FP count, HP start, or Force Renewal change.

Meh, it's been a while. At least it is a different piece this time.