PegoLego and I already had a community set made and done and once i get the card into the right format ill be printing them off for everyone who participated.

[quote=engineer]To get the same quality as the v set cards, it's a little more expensive than that. [/quote

well i have a very high tech printer so i think ill be ok lol

Is there a short cut to see the guys you designed? I would like to see some custom stats

Thanks L_B

I would've thought the hardest part was, in order, creating usable stats for a character at the "right" cost, creating the card, formating it for printing and then printing it ... printing being easiest because if you have a printer do it, it comes down to cost, not quality.

I've been doing cards for years and years and the one time I tried doing a pdf set of cards, it took me weeks (admittedly part time) to set everything up and get the quality just right for one sheet of eight cards. Is printing harder than I'm imagining it on our end opposed to the printers? ... or am I looking at it too simplistically?

And as for jumping into the fire and joining a V-Set crew, I would think the average person isn't as good at making stats as they think they are and someone should build up to V-Set member status.

Not my point actually. I know its through the playtesting; but being a player gives you a certain perspective but doesn't automatically make you a great "creator" with great ideas. Kinda like the difference between being a player versus coaching; being good at one thing doesn't make you automatically good at the other which was my point, if worded poorly on my side.



I love comments, but as a card maker I am under no delusions that my one-man setup could compete with the V-Set crews. I'm not conceited enough, just a guy that likes to make cards. I'm frankly better at cardmaking than playing (and if you've seen the way I roll you'd agree )

A pay in Vset tends to send the wrong message IMO.

No one wants your money (at least I, and most of the designers i've worked with don't) we just want good ideas and keep the game moving forward to better enjoyment and balance.

IMO, and others disagree, the vsets should be constant rotation with new people. Players shouldn't feel that contributing to the vsets is an unachievable goal but one where effort and application gets you rewards by being involved in figure design.

Every Vset has had a new designer on it and that should continue because it keeps the design with the people who play the game and are willing to test and put the effort in.

This has happened to a degree but because this isn't a specific doctrine with an established proceedure in Vset design people who have put in a LOT of effort in playtesting havn't got the opportunity to get in on the design. As a result playtests for the current vset are at an all time low. This just makes the process a much greater burden for the lead designers and kind of takes away from the large group process that is supposed to keep things balanced.

I do agree that the name is the issue for me - if you want to call it a custom set, that's all good.

I'm not involved in the design team in any way, but I do think that if you're playing someone else of a similar skill level and both using relatively efficient squads, that should be enough for a valid playtest? It doesn't always have to be two top tier players going at each other.

Yep, that's all it takes usually. Sometimes pieces have niche roles and so you need to test them in that niche. Sometimes you need to test a fig against different squad types.

e.g. if you are playing a rock counter piece against a scissors squad and it performs poorly then you should try it again in a match up against a rock squad. If it still performs poorly then it obviously misses the mark.

However, often its just about putting the figure on the board and seeing it run. We (me and Timmerb123) just tested a few figs over the weekend for set 7. We had one test that was pretty much dominated by WotC figs but just having the fig of interest on the board together with the other figs was enlightening in of itself because of how the stats and role lined up against the rest of its team.

Having a fig as just a list of stats is one thing but then seeing those stats in a game really tells you where it fits in the scheme of things.

Agreed. I try to take a lot of time to make my cards as top-notch as possible, for customs. But there's no way I can invest the man-hours that the V-sets have in playtesting to balance them, and I'm no expert, so some of my custom abilities may not work how I want. They are fun for me to play with, or friends if they want, because we can understand my intention behind the rules. But this set would have a lot of people paying a lot of money with a lot of expectations, that I just don't think it could live up to, some reasons being ones mentioned by Sithborg. That's why I said a SMALL scale project. If maybe like 10 people wanted to put pieces in, and then they were thoroughly tested (obviously, they still wouldn't be legal in tourneys or anything, but enough that they were reasonable), and had only 10 pieces to have a few abilities cleared up, then it might be a nice idea. Allowing an unlimited number of people put a bunch of pieces to print for other people to buy... Well, I think that could do more harm than good.

Just my $0.02