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CCC Week 32 Cade Skywalker Dashing Rogue Jedi. No Faction Restrictions! Options
Deathwielded
Posted: Monday, March 3, 2014 7:18:52 PM
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Here are the Rules:
1. The character must be cannon and from the chosen faction. They can have affinity, but the character must start in the chosen faction.
2. You may update any existing versions you already have and/or create a new one. You may update/create several versions of the character but you must ultimately select 1 you wish to run with. (this must be done by the schedule below)
3. Place a hyperlink in this forum to make it easier to find your character. You can just post the stats or image here but if changes are needed it would be easier (and save space) if you just used a Hyperlink (If you don't know how to post Hyperlinks in a forum setting please ask and we will help you. It's not hard )
4. Please rate the characters in this contest, however don't be so base as to 1 bomb the other characters in this contest. This is a friendly contest, just have fun, be honest and do your best.
5. Voting will look like this: "I rated so-and-so(A) an 8, so-and-so(B) an 9, and so-and-so(C) a 7. My vote goes to so-and-so(B). (this vote counts as 1 point) Please feel free to comment on why you made your choice, (what you liked) or not and just put your scores.
6. Too make things fair you must vote in order to win the contest. You must vote for all characters entered in the contest and you may not rate or vote for your own character.
7. The character that is rated the highest in the Bloo Milk rating system will receive a bonus of 2 points. The winner will be decided by how many points they receive (for example: so-and-so(B) received 3 individual votes and received the bonus 2 for being the highest rated character for a total of 5 points)
8. you may not change or update the entered character AFTER the deadline (from Tuesday-Thursday you may get advice and change your character accordingly) Friday at midnight before any votes are cast is the deadline.

The schedule will be like this: Monday the winner of last weeks CCC will announce his choice for the character (including his faction), from Tuesday till Friday characters can be created/updated but on Friday you must have picked one character to submit. Then voting will be held on Saturday, Sunday and Monday until 4, Monday night the winner will be announced and the next character picked.
AndyHatton
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saber1
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I am undecided on which I wish to enter. One is a pure NR Melee beat with some cool tricks, the other is a Fringe transition shooter similar in basics to the original Kyle Katarn.

Cade Skywalker, Legacy of the Force

EDIT: Going with this one ^
Lord_Ball
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saber1
Posted: Thursday, March 6, 2014 7:59:13 AM
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Kinda quiet in here this week. Crying
Deathwielded
Posted: Thursday, March 6, 2014 8:31:04 AM
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My entry this week is Cade Skywalker, Rogue Hero
General_Grievous
Posted: Friday, March 7, 2014 11:18:17 AM
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Here is Cade when he is gunning for Krayt the first time around.

http://www.bloomilk.com/Custom/17736/cade-skywalker--assassin
saber1
Posted: Friday, March 7, 2014 6:45:03 PM
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saber1 wrote:
I am undecided on which I wish to enter. One is a pure NR Melee beat with some cool tricks, the other is a Fringe transition shooter similar in basics to the original Kyle Katarn.

Cade Skywalker, Reluctant Jedi

Cade Skywalker, Legacy of the Force


Which to choose, which to choose?
General_Grievous
Posted: Friday, March 7, 2014 7:36:30 PM
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saber1 wrote:
saber1 wrote:
I am undecided on which I wish to enter. One is a pure NR Melee beat with some cool tricks, the other is a Fringe transition shooter similar in basics to the original Kyle Katarn.

Cade Skywalker, Reluctant Jedi

Cade Skywalker, Legacy of the Force


Which to choose, which to choose?


Of the two I really like Legacy
saber1
Posted: Friday, March 7, 2014 9:21:13 PM
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General_Grievous wrote:
saber1 wrote:
saber1 wrote:
I am undecided on which I wish to enter. One is a pure NR Melee beat with some cool tricks, the other is a Fringe transition shooter similar in basics to the original Kyle Katarn.

Cade Skywalker, Reluctant Jedi

Cade Skywalker, Legacy of the Force


Which to choose, which to choose?


Of the two I really like Legacy


With the recent edits I am leaning that way.
Deathwielded
Posted: Monday, March 10, 2014 5:58:32 AM
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saber1's Cade Skywalker, Legacy of the Force 8.5
I lie Force-Attuned Combat and I think all of his force powers fit.

General_Grievous' Cade Skywalker, Assassin 8.25
Deathstick is pretty cool, I could see a character named Deathstick dealer that hands this out like a Trader does (non-uniques only) I personally find the Camaraderie to be underwhelming and I wish he gave the Imp Knights something to make them worth playing in the NR.

Lord_Ball's Cade Skywalker, Strike Leader 8
I have never really imagined him as a Strike team leader. (though admittedly I didn't get that far in the comic) Seams alittle one sided if you were planning to use him in a squad, better hope you face the Sith or you basically wasted 46 points. Not entirely as he does give Override.

AndyHatton's Cade Skywalker, Jedi Knight 8.75
I like Leaping Assualt and Disruptive on him. I read the comments and I think Anarchist would fit a version of Cade, but then I wouldn't name him Jedi Knight. Unleash the Force 60 doesn't quite fit him IMO. Everything else is fine.

Deathwielded's Cade Skywalker, Rogue Hero

My vote goes to Andy this week
Lord_Ball
Posted: Monday, March 10, 2014 7:43:35 AM
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Andy Hatton, Jedi Knight 8.5
I think FR2 might be a bit much, while it makes it much easier to spend the points on Essence of Life which is good, it also makes it too easy to pull off multiple Unleash the Force and Leaping Assaults. I'm not sure that lacking defensive abilities is enough to balance him, especially as a follower in NR.

saber1, Legacy of the Force 9
Having evolved into a combination of both your versions it's an interesting and potent take on Cade. Force-Attuned Combat certainly makes it less of an issue for him to use Force Heal - especially considering he's ranged, and if you don't need to heal anyone Push is a nice alternative.

Deathwielded, Rogue Hero 8.5
Cade by the numbers. While there's not much for Pirates currently he'd definitely be a figure to be considered when making any Pirate CEs.

General_Grievous, Assassin 8.5
Surprise Move makes pulling off a Double Twin somewhat easy and the change to Deathsticks definitely makes it much more useful instead of just throwing a czerka in (though a czerka still wouldn't hurt).

Vote goes to saber1
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Cade Skywalker, Jedi Knight 9
Andy Hatton

Everything looks very Cade-ish. My hesitation is with UtF60. Sure, he's a 60 point beast, but with FR2, he'll be UingtF every other turn upon the sacrifice of poor Wicket.

Cade Skywalker, Legacy of the Force
saber1

Too chewy?

Cade Skywalker, Rogue Hero 9.5
Deathwielded

Heal Ailment is a fun addition and the remainder of his abilities are all accurate to the character. Though limited, Pirate is a nice touch and way to give him Accurate. Dark Temptation is the only item that gives me pause, especially with LSJK's CE and MotF2. However, his cost is significant and even with Talon's CE he maxes at a hardly game-breaking 100 damage potential.

Cade Skyalker, Assassin 9.25
General_Grievous

I like the changes to Deathstick, allowing an option for Twin other than Czerka but at a penalty. The abilities and powers are all appropriate for the character and chosen subtitle. The Imp Knight synergy is very cool.

Cade Skywalker, Strike Leader 9.5
Lord Ball

The Camaraderie is cool and befits the subtitle. I like the Stealthy approach to this Cade. The powers look good with FP4 always threatening to ruin an enemy's day. The CE is very unusual and certainly useful.

I would be thrilled to play any of these entries. A very tough call: Deathweilded
General_Grievous
Posted: Monday, March 10, 2014 10:38:12 AM
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saber1's Cade Skywalker, Legacy of the Force 9
Excellent rendition of Cade, and I like how he works so well with Luke Ghost. Great job!

Lord_Ball's Cade Skywalker, Strike Leader 8.7
I think his Camaraderie and Commander Effect should be switched around, even just naming Morrigan as the one to get override. I'm not a fan of handing out CEs as special abilities especially to a large or non-specific group.
That being said I think if those two were switched t would be a perfect example of Cade at that time. Great force powers, and the stealth/sith hunter theme is a cool and appropriate combo.

AndyHatton's Cade Skywalker, Jedi Knight 8.8
Unleash the force just doesn't seem to fit, and you got me all excited for anarchist haha. But otherwise cool higher end beat stick. Against sith who haven't activated he is broken, but you balanced it out with being specific for sith and having no defensive abilities.

Deathwielded's Cade Skywalker, Rogue Hero 8.9
At first it seemed like there is too much going on here, especially with the wordy healing ailment and CQC fighting seems close enough to save making a new SA. But this piece has grown on me, and pirate is a sweet addition. Dark temptation is suitably tempting and a nice fit.

Going to have to give it to Saber1 with a close nod to he others, was a hard choice this week.


Also deathwielded I had wxactly the same thing in mind, having that guy from attack of the clones being able to deal death sticks to non-unique living characters.
Lord_Ball
Posted: Monday, March 10, 2014 11:29:44 AM
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Deathwielded wrote:
Lord_Ball's Cade Skywalker, Strike Leader 8
I have never really imagined him as a Strike team leader. (though admittedly I didn't get that far in the comic) Seams alittle one sided if you were planning to use him in a squad, better hope you face the Sith or you basically wasted 46 points.


I think you're selling Stealth a little short, while it's true the squad would be noticeably stronger against a Sith Squad, it still has plenty to offer against non-sith, Force push 4 is also very handy being a non-attack damage ability.

General_Grievous wrote:
Lord_Ball's Cade Skywalker, Strike Leader 8.7
I think his Camaraderie and Commander Effect should be switched around, even just naming Morrigan as the one to get override. I'm not a fan of handing out CEs as special abilities especially to a large or non-specific group.
That being said I think if those two were switched t would be a perfect example of Cade at that time. Great force powers, and the stealth/sith hunter theme is a cool and appropriate combo.


To each his own - I actually designed him this way for specific reasons. First being that this way it gives the feeling of him having a plan, but not really being a tactical or authoritative individual (he was determined, but not really a skilled leader), and so the benefits he grants cannot be "nerfed". Second I didn't want to name Morrigan as Override would be a perfect complimentary ability for Deliah Blue in a thematic fun squad. Third is my understanding that Camaraderie was designed to grant SAs the Character has to others so that is how I try to use it.
General_Grievous
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That's fair, I just haven't seen a Camradirie for more than one person let alone a whole type of characters. But as you said each his own haha.
AndyHatton
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I was away at the end of the week/weekend so I couldn't make any changes/comment as much as I'd like. I might edit him after the fact later, it wouldn't be true Anarchist, but it would be pretty close. And I still feel like Unleash the Force represents his raw Force Power but I understand where others don't like it.

My ratings

Cade Skywalker, Legacy of the Force by saber1 9
Force Attuned combat is pretty great, Jedi Hunter is always nice and Pilot synergies open up some cool options

Cade Skywalker, Strike Leader by Lord Ball 9.5
I like a lot of this Granting Override is cool, the specifities make it tough to find a nice viable NR target, but flavorwise that works out just fine handing it out to Fringe. Handing out stealth is interesting and actually almost makes him a nice Wedge Alternative for Force Users (especially when paired with the new Luke,GH)

Cade Skywalker, Rogue Hero by deathwielded 8.75
A Nice cheaper mid-period Cade. Taking away status conditions is cool, I wonder if there is a wording that makes it more inclusive however to future abilities or something you might have missed (not that I can think of any.) But perhaps looking at D&D wording about ongoing effects. Pirate is cool and all the other SAs and FP seem very fitting

Cade Skywalker, Assassin by General Grievous 8.75
Deathstick is interesting though I wish it affected his Force Powers in some way... IO is fitting, CE is great, Imperial Knights in the NR are long overdue.

By vote goes to Lord Ball


General_Grievous wrote:
That's fair, I just haven't seen a Camradirie for more than one person let alone a whole type of characters. But as you said each his own haha.


There is no V-set piece like that yet, but it has been done a few times before in the CCC, and it took me a second to get used to but Force Bond started as just handing out Force Powers to individual pieces and has expanded beyond that, I think that could be used as a valid example and argument.
Lord_Ball
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See Blizzard Force AT-ST for a similar Camaraderie. While it still has the name aspect it does have that large group approach as well.
General_Grievous
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Hmm point taken, I stand corrected. Still feels weird as it seems to be replacing the role of CEs in the first place but it's been done before and makes sense.

And Andy I wrestled with Deathstick giving him force immunity too, but in the end it felt like too much and I also wanted it to be a generic ability that could appear on a deathstick dealer. I suppose at least he won't get a force renewal CE while he is savage, so that is something.
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It's getting late. Are we doing week 33 this week?
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