I listed them alphabetically in the poll, but here I'll rank these 9 from my favorite to least favorite.

1. Off World Shipping Center - I know this gets some complaints for being too "busy", but I really like this map. Protected approaches, a good number of doors (not too many, not too few), interesting lines of sight and multiple approaches. (Note that it's my favorite out of these 9 - not my favorite overall.)

2. Off World Cargo Docks - Almost a carbon copy of the above. Even more "busy" than Shipping Center, but also one that I like a lot.

3. Simulation Deck - Very unique map. Floating doors, oddly located pits, and completely symmetrical.

4. Theed Palace - I like this map as a Restricted map and haven't really heard complaints. I only included it as an option here because I recommended dropping it to Standard to make room for Outlaw City. Those two maps have a similar layout (what I called Peninsula/Road maps), and I think both are worth the Restricted list. I'd swap them just for variety.

5. Tomb of the Acolytes - Combat focuses on the choke points instead of gambit, which is a bit odd. I do like the map enough to keep it on the Restricted list, but it's not at the top of my list. Garnered a lot of complaints, though, last time it was discussed.

6. Rancor Pen - I've never been a big fan of this map, but I know a lot of people are. Compared to other Restricted maps, it's quite the shooting gallery. I doubt it'll ever be dropped just because we need a certain number of WotC maps on the Restricted list.

7. Nightclub - Way too wide open for Restricted in my opinion.

8. Grand Plaza - Lancer paradise. No safety in the starting zone on either side, and no more than 1 door to go through.

9. Cliffside Citadel - Bad starting zone and approach for the right side means few people will bother taking it. For those who do, pretty much every skirmish goes straight to the gambit room, so too predictable, too.

You added these new ones to the Restricted List:
Outlaw City
Mining Colony: Upper Level
Outer Rim Fueling Station
Dark Academy

I agree with all those picks. Dark Academy surprised me when I last played on it. I expected it to feel too wide open, but it played well.


You suggested three to be dropped, but you also left these off the list. I guess you don't care either way about these?
Off World Shipping Center
Nightclub
Theed Palace
Grand Plaza

I like Dark Academy, but I would take Outlaw City, Mining Colony: Upper Level, Oceanic Facility, or Outer Rim Fueling Station over it.

You said Mining Colony: Lower Level. Did you mean Ground Floor or Sublevel? I don't think either have a chance. The two un-attackable squares on Sublevel take it off the list. The corners of Ground Floor are its problem. It'll be lucky to make the Open List with those squares.

Grand Plaza and tomb of the accolytes should go.

I'm not familiar as much with the new ones to say which should rplace them.


I really feel like a map should go if a particlular squad can abuse them. The above 2 can. The above 2 are abusable. The others are boring or has a detriment so big to one side I don't see how a squad can abuse it.

Diplomats blocking the choke points.

I'm not sure I agree. It's such a unique map that I kind of like having it as an option. But there are enough good standard maps that I wouldn't mind seeing something new take its place if there are enough objections to it.

Ha - we didn't overlap at all with the 4 I would remove and the three you would remove.

The 'clutter' is part of what I like about Cargo Docks. I could do without the shadow of the crane over gambit. I guess it's nice to automatically mark gambit that way, but that part I could do without. But all the rest of the clutter just makes it really feel like you're running around in between and over a bunch of shipping containers - just like a cargo dock.

Cloud City I just think is one of the two best WotC maps. Overall, I like so many of the post-WotC so much better that I wouldn't otherwise care that much about losing Cloud City. But I really do think we need 3 WotC maps, and I think Cloud City is eons better than Night Club or Grand Plaza. And even better than Rancor Pen. (I think Ravaged Base/Commander's Office is by far WotC's best map - seems like most people agree.)

I propose that Peaceful City be removed

My eyes were open to how truly bad this map is.

I know this will shock many, as it seems to be often used. But after playing on it almost every match both days at Frosty-Con. I now have a firm idea of why I hate it so much.

It is an insane shooters gallery.

unlike virtually every other map, you can actually shoot all the way across the board with just a few open doors. Beyond that (and more importantly), unlike vitually every other map - you can shoot from safe places further than 12 squares away from gambit - into EVERY SQUARE OF GAMBIT.

Let me let that sink in for a moment.

You cannot go into any square of gambit - without being shot 1/4 of they way (or more) across the board. If this doesn't discourage combat - I don't know what does.

Shooters already have enough advantage in this game. It's 10 fold on this map.

If you get time, can you do this for every map? It's pretty cool, as it makes me think about how I set up.

That is cool Bryan, I like the lines drawn on maps idea.

I misspoke when I said you could get lines all the way across the map. You can however get very long lines.


I damming thing of this map in my opinion is this (I don't have a program to do what Bryan did - so I'll just try and explain.)

I actually chose the left side (I thought there were 2 safe square in gambit as well.) But it turns out there are zero safe squares in gambit (especially when facing republic commandos).

From the top room on the right side (very top of the map, called manager's office), just outside the door twards the center - there are a couple of pillars. From the square just left of the top pillar, you can get lin of sight into that entire side of gambit, including the two "safe" squares.

I was even running cloaked, but with sentry it didn't matter.

Just blow the door or override it, and with Super Stealth and insane movement it's easy to pop out and back in (while still being in cover) to crush ANYTHING, ANYWHERE in gambit. So you have no choice but to rush the room, and then the whole squad comes to bear on whoever runs that way. Without a serious movement breaker, it takes at least 2 rounds to get into attack position, and by then the whole squadron has blown you away.

It sets up the kill box scenario. Except as opposed to that box being in gambit, it is OUTSIDE of gambit, and covers ALL of gambit - forcing you to confront their kill box. To your own demise either way.

The bad thing is that the other side is EVEN WORSE.

It's a very abusable map is the bottom line. I personally don't want to get to the point where every squad HAS to have Force Sense to compete.

RCs are a VERY VERY strong squad now, and will be good on any map. This map in particular is one that shows an extreme way it can be abused. There are other squads that can do it too, but I feel that this example illustrates quite a lot.



I have always felt that with a well built squad vs another well built squad, map can certainly give an edge - but should never create an auto-loss. Between the two events at Frosty-Con, I lost on this map 3/4 games. And 2 of the three I feel like I would have won on my map, the third being a real game as opposed to an exercise in futility.

And bear in mind I am a fan of shooter squads. Stealth N Blue is my baby. I was running a Mando squad with lots of accurate damage. I like me some guns. I was super pissed when throne room was removed from the list.

And I am the one saying that this map is abusable to an extreme.