Is the following correct?

A squad may contain Alto Stratus, Talon Karrde, and a bunch of Nimbus Commandos. The Nimbus Commandos would all have Independent Outfit from Alto Stratus, so Talon Karrde's +4/+10 CE would be active. As soon as a Nimbus Commando is defeated, that character is no longer subject to Alto Status' CE, so he no longer has Independent Outfit. However, defeated characters still count as being in the squad, so Talon Karrde's +4/+10 (and Ysalamiri) would shut off after the first commando is defeated.

Pretty sure defeated characters still count as being in the squad. Prideful doesn't kick in if you start with a higher cost character in the squad but that character is defeated.

Some preliminary comments

'In your squad' is a messy concept. However, that wording is not used here, and should not be implied. A key word here is 'While'.

There are differences between Black Sun, Prideful, and Specialization. This scenario is most akin to Specialization.

If Alto was killed, any non-Unique Separatist followers would lose Independent Outfit, which would immediately negate Talon's effects.

As to a defeated character and Independent Outfit via CE, I don't believe it has any effect, but I'll need to look into all this further before I give an official ruling.

"Ally" implies not defeated.

Effects are cancelled while it remains an (undefeated) ally. As with Specialization, it can turn on and off based on current status of characters in play.

The primary reason behind the 'In your squad' ruling pertains to Unique rules. If a Unique is defeated, you can't bring in another version of that character with Reserves later, as it looks at what was in your squad when built.

Betrayal does not follow that rule, of course.

Prideful on the other hand was ruled to follow that rule whether Unique or non-Unique (looking at cost of characters when the squad was built).

I had some trouble finding this thread with google. I'm going to add in some more phrases that might make the search easier next time.

Talon Karrde
My Pets from Myrkr
Ysalamiri
Black Sun Grenades Vigo
Specialization
"in your squad"
While your squad contains only Fringe characters, allies get +4 Attack and +10 Damage.

Bump.

I love mixing it up in rules questions

Here is my take (not that it matters )

Yaddle CE: For the rest of the skirmish, Unique Republic allies with a lightsaber and without Double, Triple, Quadruple, or Twin Attack gain Shien Style, Force Renewal 1, Lightsaber Assault, and Master Speed.


Even if yaddle dies, her CE is always going to happen and can't be shut off by bastilla.

Alto CE: Allies whose names contain Nimbus gain Bravado +10 and Ambush. Non-Unique Separatist followers gain Independent Outfit.

The way I read this is that the CE is in effect if this commander is on the board. If Alto dies and is removed from the board, it can't give it's CE. IF the CE were like Yaddle's CE where it says "For the rest of the skirmish", then Alto could die and the CE would stick.

Talon CE: While your squad contains only Fringe characters, allies get +4 Attack and +10 Damage.

Once per round, after initiative is determined, 1 Fringe follower can immediately move up to its Speed before any other character activates.

For Talon, the word "While" implies a continuous check to be done every time it's relevant.

Arkainian Prideful: Prideful (While this character has a higher printed cost than any other character in your squad, this character and allied Old Republic troopers and soldiers with a Damage value greater than 0 get +4 Attack and +10 Damage until this character is defeated)

My understanding of this is a bit hazy but I think it works like this: You can always add to a squad, but you can never take away from a squad (unless specifically told to do so (TK-421)). This means that in an Arkainian squad if you have Bastila for instance. She costs more than Arkainian and since you can't remove from your squad she is still in the squad even in death. A case of adding to a squad would be on TK-421. If my thought in red above is true, then adding TK to a Talon squad kills it no matter if the added luke in stormie armor is dead or alive because his faction check is always going to be rebel.

Since we are getting into TK-421 lets look at more word play.

TK-421's Why Aren't You At Your Post? : (When this character would be defeated by an enemy, replace this character with a character named Luke Skywalker in Stormtrooper Armor instead. The new character is considered activated and joins the opponent's squad until the end of the skirmish.)

From my understanding, the trick to this piece and why I don't like it much is the "would be defeated". I don't like it because it makes the total possible squad points uneven as the original owner of TK-421 will never lose those 10 points because you replace him, not remove him and once he's on the other squad, it's the new owners problem. If it said "is defeated", you would at least get credit for killing TK.

If all of this is rubbish please let me know and I will delete the entire post so as not to cause any more confusion.

Thanks

Any word on this yet?

Given the strict squad-building restrictions, it seems a tad unfair that enemy abilities (TK's etc) can permanently break your squad. I would prefer that gaining enemy characters in such fashion only shuts it off until said piece(s) are defeated (or switch sides again).

Anyway, that discussion is moving slowly. Other issues are being worked on related to V-set 14, as the deadline is nearing for designs to be finished so it will ready by GenCon.