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Cassus fett
Posted: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 12:26:36 PM
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Just wondering People's opinons on which set they thought was the worst and why? It could be which ever one you thought personally was the worst. Please limit it to only WOTC ones though, i know the V-Sets areā€¦ decisive to say the least. Who knows depending on feed back i might ask which V-Set was is the worst. Remember this is all subjective and peoples personal opinons. Don't be nasty to each other. Remeber we all like this game after all
TheHutts
Posted: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 12:38:10 PM
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Masters of the Force was a poor last set and is probably the winner IMO. Ganner is awesome, the Rodian Diplomat often finds its way into Republic builds, but after that it's pretty disappointing - devoting a bunch of slots to Dejarik makes it even worse. Just feels like a pile of leftovers (which I understand is what it was).

I think the worst early set is probably Revenge of the Sith - take away San Hill, R2 Astromech, and Mon Mothma, and I don't think anything else is playable in 2015. It's currently averaging 2.8 on Rolling Mini of the Day, including San Hill's 11.

This is the current average rating for each WOTC piece by set on Rolling Mini of the Day (but I'm only about 40% of the way, so they can still shift a bit):

Rebel Storm: 4.2
Clone Strike: 4.4
Revenge of the Sith: 2.8
Universe: 4.9
Champions of the Force: 4.0
Bounty Hunters: 4.3
Alliance and Empire: 6.3
The Force Unleashed: 4.2
Legacy of the Force: 5.4
Knights of the Old Republic: 6.4
The Clone Wars: 4.9*
Imperial Entanglements: 7.2
Jedi Academy: 5.4
Galaxy at War: 6.6
Dark Times: 4.9
Masters of the Force: 4.8

* I think this is one set where the randomiser has avoided a lot of the good pieces. The average should go up when we hit GOWK, Yobuck, GGDAC, IG-86, Rex, Sidiogram etc.

I mainly think about power level, and only as someone who started playing after MOTF was released - I only collect the pieces I think I need as a player, so I haven't seen a lot of the sculpts.
DarkLordVerjal
Posted: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 12:50:28 PM
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My vote goes to Knights of the Old Republic, runner up being LotF. Equal parts disappointment and bad stats. A set that has so much promise and so many utter failures. Many of the sculpts were bad, as was the selection for most of the characters.

Legacy of the Force simply had too much crap, and a few pieces that shouldn't have been made. I cannot comment on MotF due to being on hiatus during its release and never say the effects of it, but I can 100% sure say that set also has a tremendous amount of useless pieces.
jak
Posted: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 3:33:02 PM
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as far as stupid useless pieces?
Rebel StormCursing
close second Clone StrikeThumbDown
TheHutts
Posted: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 3:58:54 PM
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Looking at my haves, the set I have the least pieces from is actually Bounty Hunters (4):

Lord Vader
Bith Black Sun Vigo
Dark Hellion Marauder on Swoop Bike
Quarren Bounty Hunter

I only have a Quarren Bounty Hunter because I got it from a bulk lot when I started playing. I would grab a Boba Bounty Hunter if he was cheaper, even if it was just for Epics, but can't really justify spending $50-60 when he's not that useful in 200 point play. Also, I do have a reprint of Princess Leia, Hoth Commander, and there are other pieces I should probably own like the Aqualish Assassin and Han Scoundrel, but it generally seems like one of the less useful sets right now.
Cassus fett
Posted: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 5:46:22 PM
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Nice replies so far, i never realized how favored IE and GaW were. My pick would be Motf as well, i thought it was an awful let down for the last set, it had some cool pieces for sure, Cay Qel-Droma, Vader Sith Apprentice, but the Djerak stuff was trash and some pieces like the Mace Windu i found inferior to previous versions. I can't bring my self to bash Rebel Storm and Clone Strike because its not their fault they were the first sets and the game evolved to make them obsolete, plus there are still usable pieces from both, off the top of my head, from RS: Major Veers and Palpatine, from CS: Yoda, Darth Sidious, Gran Raider
Cassus fett
Posted: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 7:44:05 PM
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bump, wanna see some more replies
Cassus fett
Posted: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 8:45:51 PM
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man why does RotS get so much hate? i remember even at its release it got hate
EmporerDragon
Posted: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 11:07:08 PM
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It just didn't add a whole lot. Most of the set already had better alternatives in RS and CS.

Back then, I'd say I only saw the following from RotS regularly:

AT-RT
Obi-Wan, JM
R2, Astromech
Bodyguard Droid
Darth Tyranus (at least until the player got a Dooku)
Grievous, JH (but only the first game after a player got him)
Grievous, SC
Separatist Commandos
Boba, YM
Anakin, SA
Palpatine, SL

Palpatine was also a huge NPE for most people, since at that time there were only a few sets of minis and Palps made a large chunk of them unplayable simply by existing.

Still, most of the hate is in retrospect. Now Alliance & Empire, there was a set that got a lot of hate upon release. People don't like square-based reprints of pieces that wouldn't even be used in a sealed tourney.
Cassus fett
Posted: Thursday, October 15, 2015 3:48:35 AM
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Yup yup, thats a pretty acurate list of who got used, and it's only shrunk. Anyways i guess i never think bad of it cause it's when i started (got the Rots starter box, and a few random minis my mom bought me, good times). Also its the set that gave out R2-D2 astromech
donnyrides
Posted: Thursday, October 15, 2015 5:33:09 AM
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I think the best are CotF, TFU, and BH

CotF gave us maybe the 2 most important pieces ever made and will be used until the end of time: Mas Amedda and the uggie.
It also gave us great sith pieces like Bane, Kun and Nihilus. It gave us a reason to play OR with Bastilla and it was the beginning of super stealth with Bacara and the republic commando crew
I love this set because it had my favorite piece: Maul CotS(sentimental reasons). Quad attack!!! Wha what!!

TFU
This set is where the most power creep happened and is also where I started to lose interest in the game. All the pushing and renew changed the game forever. moving pieces against their will changed the style of play. People stopped playing melee because of push. You couldn't base anybody with my beloved quad maul without getting pushed away. Then you added renew to most everything and they could just keep pushing you, sometimes off ledges into a pit. Enough of my personal whining about the set, here are the key amazing pieces this set entered into the fray (in no particular order):
1.Revan
2.Boba merc
3.K3PO
4.The vader apprentices
5.The lukes
6.Ozzel (will forever be used)
7.Vader Unleashed - Removal of super stealth
8.The rebel repeat blaster - this thing was cheap, had triple and could get twin with ease.
9.Felucian Warrior on Rancor

I only bought 1 booster of this and I cheery picked it by lifting each booster until I got the heaviest one and ended up with a FW on Rancor. I used it 1 time then traded it for a boba merc. $ for $ I got hosed, but I got the more versatile piece and it has been nice to have a boba for all the Vsets.

As for BH, I don't have time to jot down all the great stuff that set presented. You could play a full fringe squad when this set came out. I didn't buy a ton of BH boosters because I was disgusted and too cheap to buy $25 boosters with no smaller option. :)

The worst IMO have to be Masters of the Force and Rebel Storm. MotF didn't give us anything really. Just a bunch altered main story characters and Djerak junk. RS was a close second BUT it gave us Veers and Tarkin and a major force battery for vader in Emp Palp.

I know TL;DR but i like chatting about WotC because that is when I played the most and the game was much easier to teach and play.
adamb0nd
Posted: Thursday, October 15, 2015 6:18:50 AM
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I hated TFU when it first game out. Force push, to me, felt like it was broken at the time. It was a very powerful ability that no other piece had access to up until that time. Auto damage + movement breaker was quite a bump in power. Looking at the evolution of the game now, I like TFU. Some great pieces were in that set, but they feel more acceptable when you take the entire history of the game into consideration.

If I had to vote today, I remember MoTF being a huge let down. We got a Windu who was worse than our previous options, a remake of a generic ewok when fans had been asking for new ones, the mostly unusable Dejariks. Most of the pieces weren't horrible as a stand alone set, but they were under powered and underwhelming compared to the last few sets. It was just a let down for a final farewell.

Cassus fett
Posted: Thursday, October 15, 2015 6:38:51 AM
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I did really like Bounty Hunters, i remeber that being the inception of the " twin attack is best attack" mindset. also loved Legacy but i'm a massive fan of the Comics (dont get me wrong Legacy had Duds *cough* Morlish Veed, worst very rare in the game, biggest waste ever *cough*
I honestly never got much out of TFU i remeber pushing and lightning but thats about it.
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Posted: Thursday, October 15, 2015 7:14:12 AM
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Worst set by far: Rebels & Imperials.
General_Grievous
Posted: Thursday, October 15, 2015 3:14:05 PM
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Agreed rebels imperials was a horrible money grabbing mistake that have us reprints of three B level characters and a bunch of fodder.

The best WOTC set was easily in my opinion The Clone Wars. We got this list of power pieces:

Grievous DAC
Durge
Chameleon Droid
Commando Droid Captain

Captain Rex
Yodabuk

And let's not forget keeping in the tradition of C-level sub characters in the canon becoming power 11 pieces in the game (looking at you Lobot) Gha Nakht

Also if you include starters then there is easily the strongest pieces in any starter yet Dooku, and the much more powerful GOWK. As well as the special release bearing the clone wars set name of the lancer/Clonetrooper on speeder.

As a clone wars fan that was huge for me and as pieces that are still good today years later this set can hardly be matched.
Cassus fett
Posted: Thursday, October 15, 2015 5:11:31 PM
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yea clone wars also started the epidemic of double,twin, GMA shooters giving us rex, who was followed by dash then Cad Bane
Cassus fett
Posted: Friday, October 16, 2015 6:12:51 PM
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bump
DarkLordVerjal
Posted: Friday, October 16, 2015 6:43:54 PM
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I have to say, the votes for Rebel Storm, and Clone Strike are terrible. Those sets had great usable pieces all the way up to Universe, furthermore the sculpt quality is still the best.
Cassus fett
Posted: Saturday, October 31, 2015 2:10:14 PM
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Bump i guess
EmporerDragon
Posted: Saturday, October 31, 2015 3:24:14 PM
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Looking back on Rebels vs. Imperials, I'd say the concept was good, but the problem was the implementation. They were trying to emulate those small little packs of heroclix commonly found in the trading card sections; something for a stocking stuffer or a little treat for a kid. Where they went wrong was the price was way too high (should've been $3-5, not $6-7) and the piece distribution was poor.

I feel that if the price was a little cheaper, and a person never risked getting 2 commons (so worst case would be 1 C, 1 UC), it would have sold better and we would have seen more reprint mini-sets in that style.

Tweaking the set list a bit would also help. Keeping the rarity distribution and theme the same, I'd imagine something like:

VR:
Han Solo, Scoundrel
Luke Skywalker, Jedi Knight
Emperor Palpatine
Lord Vader
Boba Fett, Bounty Hunter

R:
Chewbacca, Rebel Hero
Princess Leia, Senator
Mara Jade, Emperor's Hand
Grand Moff Tarkin
Lando Calrissian, Hero of Tanaab
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UC:
Elite Hoth Trooper
Rebel Officer
Rebel Heavy Trooper
Elite Stormtrooper
Elite Snowtrooper
Imperial Officer
Rodian Hunt Master

C:
Hoth Trooper
Rebel Trooper
Rebel Pilot
Stormtrooper
Snowtrooper
Sandtrooper

With that, you get a good reprint set full of iconic characters that are both playable and have good sculpts.
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