With the end of the regional season coming fast I thought it would be a good idea for all of us to discuss possible OP pieces and potential changes to balance them out. With that being said i give you See-Threepio!!

Rebel See-Threepio (C-3PO) 12
Counts As: C-3PO
Hit Points: 30
Defense: 16
Attack: 0
Damage: 0
Special Abilities

Unique
-Droid (Immune to critical hits; not subject to commander effects)
-Melee Attack (Can attack only adjacent enemies)
-3720 to 1 (If any Unique Rebel character in your squad is missed by an attack, all Unique Rebel characters in your squad gain Cloaked for the rest of the round)
-Diplomat (If an attacker has line of sight to any enemies without Diplomat, this character is not a legal target and does not count as the nearest enemy, even if adjacent)
-Distraction (Suppresses adjacent enemy commander effects)
-Relay Orders (Each allied commander can count distance from this character as well as from itself for the purpose of commander effects)
-Shut Them All Down (When an ally whose name contains R2-D2 ends his turn adjacent to this character, you may cancel all abilities designating doors as temporarily open or closed)

Commander Effect
-Droids are subject to this effect: This character and Unique Rebel Droid allies are subject to commander effects.

Its difficult to look at See-Threepio without also looking at his synergy buddy.

Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) 18
Counts As: R2-D2
Hit Points: 80
Defense: 16
Attack: 8
Damage: 10
Special Abilities

Unique
-Droid (Immune to critical hits; not subject to commander effects)
-Melee Attack (Can attack only adjacent enemies)
-Advanced Door Gimmick (At the end of his turn, this character can designate 1 door that he can see as open; it remain open and cannot be closed until the end of this character's next turn, or until he is defeated)
-Camaraderie (An ally who counts as C-3PO gains Advanced Door Gimmick)
-Override (At the end of his turn, this character can designate 1 door that he can see as open or closed; it remains open or closed until the end of this character's next turn, or until he is defeated)
-Rival (Cannot be in a squad with non-Unique Droid characters)
-Smoke Screen (Replaces attacks: For the rest of the round, this character and allies within 2 squares are considered to have cover)
-Such Devotion in a Droid (If this character ends his turn adjacent to an ally who counts as Luke, Leia, Yoda, Obi-Wan, or C-3PO, another Medium or smaller ally who counts as one of those characters may immediately move up to 6 squares toward this character)

Commander Effect
-Unique Rebel allies get +2 Attack.

-If an ally who counts as C-3PO is within 6 squares of this character, allies may ignore nonadjacent non-Unique Droid enemies when targeting.

Thats what we got, whats yalls opinions and perspectives?

I'll eat a shoe if there is ever a fairly worded Bloomilk poll again.

My main problem is that his two annoying abilities (3720 to 1 and STAD) are rangeless and non-disruptable. I feel like he would be a decent piece with just those, and on top of that he can relay, distract, and has diplomat. I don't know if I'd call him broken, but he does do some very powerful things with very little counter play.

Edit: I also would like to point out that the poll is worded a little weirdly. Power 12 is basically broken.

Oh my lanta, I was in a rush... My apologies for not making a better poll and not talking more about my opinions on the piece.

Among these choices I would be between
-See-Threepio is BROKEN!!! Nerf is ASAP!
and
-See-Threepio is a power 11 and we should talk about it.

He is one one the most crazy stacked pieces I've seen in a long time.


Not counting Unique, Melee and Droid (all necessary and expected) - and his base stats which are perfectly fine, he has FIVE powerful abilities plus a VERY powerful CE. Two of which are brand new and completely overpowered.


Diplomat and Distraction alone is probably worth the 12 points. It's a very powerful combo, and especially brutal to melee.

Add on relay orders and you have a nice little package that I would rate a power 8-9. They should have stopped there.

Then we get to shut them all down. This ability is pretty nuts. It's a complete override and door gimmick an advanced door gimmick nerf for everything on the board with no LoS needed. You could literally do it from a back room to all the way across the board. IMO - this ability wasn't needed at all, but it should have at least been a range or LoS required.

Completely unneeded at all, but if it had to be made it should have been this:



Next I'll talk about the CE. This CE is very powerful. Just letting R2 alone get evade is worth it. It can also turn R2 into a shooter if you add on a CE that gives them a damage boost (Leia RC, Princess Leia, Han RH, etc). Next we have I-5YQ, currently rated a 9 on Bloomilk. It was proposed during design that he be subject to CEs, and it was shot down as it was thought that would be broken. Now he can be.

Also keep in mind he was released in the same set as Dice Ibegon - thus able to make any fringe droid Rebel. So now you have the IG-A gang, or X-1 Viper Droids, with mobile and even greater mobile, more damage, etc. It starts to get nuts.
Yes - if the CE were here without shut them all down or 3720 to 1, it might be OK - cost of Dice does keep it from getting to terribly crazy in 200pts, but it still is potentially bonkers, and obviously intended to happen.


Last, and by far the most broken ability is 3720 to 1. This ability is ludicrous. Not only was it not necessary for the game at all, the fact that it has no range, and no shutoff is completely and totally asinine. Even getting adjacent doesn't negate this ability. If a MELEE PIECE attacks a unique rebel ally and misses, they STILL all get cloaked. WHAT!?!?! And it's not just Unique Rebel allies nearby - it's EVERYONE. Even across the board with no LoS or even a traceable path.


Again - a completely unnecessary ability - but if it HAD to be made - it should have been this:



He has diplomat for the love of The Force! He will be fine to be up there surrounded by allies.


So - to recap - he has melee hate (Diplomat + Distraction), Non-Melee hate (3720 to 1), Door Control Hate (Shut Them All Down), Droid Boost (CE) and the ever useful Relay Orders.


The kicker is that it wasn't even in a faction that needed it. Rebels are very strong with many options. Why do the rich keep getting richer!?! This was clearly a place where the overzealousness for flavor overrode the balance of what is good for the game.


Broken? Yes.


Pick any three of the 6 abilities/CE, and lose the rest at 12 points. And if it is 3720 to 1 or STAD, they need to be modified.

As is I'd say he's worth about 25pts

And to Naarkon's point of them being non-disruptable. Neither is Daala's Prideful, and in that case, Non Uniques are given a great buff.

Kind of like the BlastBug hysteria. Oh, wait; that was just massive NPE. BB's never ruled the Stars Wars universe it was many, many people hating them. I don't see C-3PO and R2 in the same light. Annoying - yes. Devestating to your hard-to-kill force user - no. Just don't miss.

I don't think See-Threepio needs any change, but Cloaked could use some more counters. And possibly some more ways to kill Diplomats. (Not just for See-Threepio... Cloaked and Diplomat can use counters in general.) Just because something wins GenCon doesn't mean it's broken. Something has to win, and Trevor's squad almost didn't make the top 8.

As far as I can tell, Rebels have been run at least 3 times in regionals this season without making the finals of any of them. (Not all regionals have posted all the squads entered.) There were 2 Rebel squads in the 2016 NZ Championships this past October, and they took the last two spots in the standings.

Looking at a sampling of 2016 regionals (not going to go through all of them):
Vassal regional: 0 Rebel squads out of 9 entries
Indiana regional: 0 Rebel squads out of 9 entries
Chicago regional: 0 Rebel squads mentioned (not sure if the whole squad list was posted)
California regional: 1 Rebel squad out of 6 entries. Didn't make the top 4.

I don't see any indication that he's winning too much, so the issue is whether he's having a bad impact on the meta or causing a major NPE. Clearly he is for some or this wouldn't be a thread, but not for others. There are a lot of pieces where that's true.

I don't have a problem with him. He and R2 are very cheap for what we do, but in playtesting they were tough to fit in squads - they're basically doing the jobs that a bunch of scrubs would usually do, so you're stuck with low activations.

I also like how they encourage uniques and discourage shooters - I'm happy for the meta to be more melee heavy and more unique heavy, and this piece helps with this.

On the surface he's non-melee hate. It's overlooked that he's melee hate as well.

Diplomat + distraction = bad for melee.


And it was just really bad to allow 3720 to 1 to trigger of melee attacks as well.



The truth of the matter is that he hasn't been run much. I have been at several events where he was run, and the NPE aspect has been brought up continuously by virtually every player facing him after the game.