ok i went to a turny recently were there were alot of new players and the judge was also new to this so i got into a few "discussions" with him

these are the rulings the judge made

#1 Allied charcters do not provide cover when you are shooting enemy figs

#2 Taris is a legal map

#3 If u grenades a fig next to a Chameleon Droid it does not have to make the save and take the damage
(same for force push and all other splash type abiltiys)

#4 If a Chameleon Droid moves next to me i have to roll mines

#5(this one im confused upon cuz 2 says target but 3 says choose?) you cant lightsaber throw 2 a vong but you can lightsaber throw 3 a vong?


Im pretty sure #1,2,3,4 are ruled wrong on but who knows i could be crazy 5 i realy dont know just want to clear that up i would thing all throws would use the same rules

The judge was wrong on all rulings except #2. Taris is a legal map at all point levels.

Point these out next time you talk to the judge (preferably before the next tournament)

1) There is a diagram on pg. 22 of the CW rulebook explicitly pointing out that characters grant cover.

3) There is nothing in the definition of Invisibility saying the character can't be affected by splash damage, it just can't be the primary target.

4) In the definition of Mines, it states that the enemy has to be the one moving to trigger the ability.

5) Lightsaber 2 and 3 are just different levels of the same force power. Both are affecting the attacking player's ability to attack, and thus can be used against Force Immune characters. The FAQ entry on Force Immunity specifically notes that the ability can be used as well.

o i said #2 wrong it wasnt taris its ossus the one on the back of the legacy of the force poster with then twin tail and the one side stars all exposed i dont know why i said taris i know thats legal i played on it at regoinals a bunch sorry. ossus is illegal right?

thank god cuz i got stuck playing that map and hated it the entire time...

I'd like to say a few things about this as im the judge in question. first I havent judged in a few years, two be exact, so im playing catch up on rules that have been clarified since my time away (didnt stay up to date). second all rules that i have ruled on have been fairly done with the knowledge ive had at the time. now lets get a few things straight. I was wrong on some of the rules that have changed in the time and i have come back to the venue and corrected the rules i have been wrong about.

Yames2.0, you say you played this map at the tourney, thats untrue you played the Attack on Endor Commander's Office map first round and third round, Rebel Storm Ultimate Missions Mos Eisley map the second, so when did you play this map? and id like to point out, that i brought the maps 14 of them so the new members had maps to play on.

and now to Darth O if you are going to attack me for my judging skill, i say come to the venue and talk to me, im a pretty nice guy and love to hear feed back as well as give it.

now dont get me wrong im in no way complaining but thought i deserved the chance to have my say as well.

side question: is there a place I could buy all the Tournament legal maps? Or am I stuck with whatever maps I can get from Map Packs/Starter Sets?

Actually, every judge makes mistakes, and from what I have heard, the particular issues he had to rule on, are some of the most commonly asked, misunderstood, and griped about rules in the game. In otherwords, it shouldn't be surprising.

Second, the guy complaining about him, was actually violating the rules repeatedly at that event himself. He was jumping into rules questions that weren't a part of his game. That is a DQ if the judge wanted to, right then and there.

He also showed up and was bragging about how he's played here and there, and used his knowledge as proof of how important he is. Apparently, he argued about the choosing a back corner of your attacker to grant cover point with a bunch of new players. That to me is the epitome of a show off just looking for stroking his ego.

1st, I guarantee you this guy is nothing more than a big fish wantabee. He read the thread on WotC, and then is strutting around as if he thought of this one. I would even be willing to bet this guys doesn't understand why it even works like that, and why it's never been fixed.

Its a situation that is so rare where it actually matters that it's basically a non-issue. But yet this guy shows up and shows off to show how good they all should think he is.

And most importantly, you shouldn't ever be arguing about this rule with a new player, because it's such a ridiculous thing that it should never ever come up. So your only point of doing so is to show off, and can confuse that player(s) with garbage they don't need to be thinking about.

Then you show up on here to further prove you were "right" by showing up the judge.

Sorry, the correct method is not to embarrass someone on the forums, or to argue with them publicly during a tournament (btw, I would have booted you as the judge), no the correct thing to do, and the mature adult thing to do is to talk to the judge after the event is over, go over the issues, show him the glossary, FAQ, Rulebook, etc pages that deal with each of those issues so that he can answer them correctly in the future.

It sure sounds to me like you got your jollies off of being the big bad fish. Well guess what, there are plenty of bigger fish out there, so I suggest learning how to act properly and treat people with respect.

First of all, I have had the privilege of playing against you and because of that experience have nothing but respect for you.

Now...I'm sorry but you're way off on your opinion of the guy in question and you really went out of your way to bash him. You talk of him acting 'the big bad fish' when your post is doing nothing but the exact same thing. Everything he brought up needed to be questioned...was he suppose to just ignore it and just play it wrong? And as far as the "providing cover for yourself" issue, he merely brought it up just to point it out as one of those ridiculous rules that exist in the game, not trying to show off by any means.

Not once was he trying to "embarrass" or impress anyone with what he knows and once a ruling was made it WAS dropped until after the tourney where it was then agreed upon to look it up on the forums or contact the proper people to get the answers. In no way do I see anything hostile posted by yames so that is an invalid point too.

That's not what "Big Fish" refers to. I cannot be a "Big Fish" online by definition. If you aren't sure what I meant, then read my article on Gamer Personalities on SWMGamers.com.

Wrong. As a player in a tournament, you are forbidden by the Universal Tournament Rules to say anything that interferes with another player's match. He could have been Dqed immediately for it and removed from the store. So first, when it comes to offering his "advice" to other games going on during a tournament, he is supposed to ignore it. Now, this rule is seldom enforced, but I am quite clear from having heard from multiple people on this issue, that his advice was not asked for, was not helpful, was argumentative and was taken disrespectfully.

BS. There is absolutely 0 reason to bring this rule up with new players ever. Heck, can he even explain it properly? Or did he simply see it on the forums one day? Why doesn't it matter in 99.99% of cases?

And in fact, it is not a "rule" at all. It is a rule loophole to be precise. It's never been closed because it rarely if ever matters. I can name the one situation that is possible, but can you or he?

And with that said, the point is simple. There are 0 reasons to bring this up, at your first event with a new judge, with new players, etc. There is no reason to do so. Its confusing and none of them will understand it anyways. So in effect, bringing it up at all in that situation, has a direct negative impact on the venue, the judge, and the players. I will not excuse that practice in any way. No, he brought it up to prove how much he knew about the rules.

Post number 1 buddy. There was no reason to list them all together, or to explain that one judge did all of this, short of embarrassment and proving he was right.

The correct way to handle it would have been to consult the rulebook in private with the judge. If you needed online confirmation, then you ask Nickname on the WotC forums, and you do so without the story behind it. Nothing on Bloomilk is official, so it proves nothing to the judge. Nope, all it did was embarrass him and make the OP get his ego boost.

I'm also aware that after the event the judge was considering quitting, because of how this player treated him. Sorry, doesn't matter how you view it, or what you want to make of it, the problem is with this player and his actions. The judge in question, has been a major judge for other games in the past, and does have an understanding of how to do it, even if he needs to work some understanding.

If the guy wasn't here for an ego boost, this thread would never exist to begin with, in the way that it does. That's 100% prove, right there, that you two are wrong.

Naming the situation is done as an embarrassment. Arguing with a judge publicly is embarrassment. Arguing about rules in games you are not playing is not only embarrassing, it is a rule violation that can be cause for an instant ejection from the event.

He did not go to the judge in private after the event, he did not ask the questions to protect the dignity and well being of the judge, he did not even go to the proper venue to even ask his questions.

No, he came on here to point out two things. The judge was wrong, and he was right. He is the big fish, and everyone needed to know it.