There's been recent talk about Bastila's Advanced Battle Meditation. There's a lot to be said for and against - it dominates the faction and is likely a paint to design around, but also keeps some obnoxious commanders in line.

What are your ideas to re-do ABM? Throw 'em out here. Note also that part of the question is which part of ABM is more problematic: CEs or damage boost?

For reference, Bastila Shan has Force 3, Renewal 1. She can be Light Tutored by Master Thon to start with Force 4. Here is ABM's definition:



Making it last only until the end of the round could be good.

Maybe swapping +10 Damage for +4 Atk/+4 Def? It would still be a nice boost, but doesn't have nearly as much shock value.

Maybe, instead of suppressing Commander Effects, she could choose one CE that enemies could no longer benefit from. Wording it this way weakens it (only one enemy CE suppressed) but strengthens it against Ysalamiri - now it is the recipients, not the commanders, who are affected, so you must be in the Ysalamiri Bubble to receive CEs instead of give them.

Maybe just drop one effect entirely? Make it just CE suppression or Damage boost?

Maybe swap the damage boost for +4 to saves? That presents its own problems (Jaq Rand ) but could be interesting.

Maybe swap the CE suppression for just suppression more than 6 squares away from enemy commanders (like Aves, Communications Officer)? I would almost refrain from saying "or enemies with Relay Orders" - we just recently got rid of Mouse Droid hordes, we don't need them coming back.

What ideas do y'all have?

I just really like Bastila, and I think the only problem with her is that too many strong tournament squads can ignore her (Ysalamari, Force Immunity), so she doesn't get much play any more.

You have a 33 point piece out the back meditating, so I think the damage boost is essential - OR squads still have to furnish other essential tech like door control on top of that.

I like the play style of a handful of good uniques, an OR senator, and Bastila - it's a fun squad base. I just can't bring it to a tournament anymore as it has too many bad matchups.

I've always understood that both the commander and the recipient have to be in the Ysalamari bubble to receive commander effects while ABM is on.

If anything, I'd like to see an alternate Bastila made that's perhaps a bit weaker overall, but which affects force immunity etc (so her CE mechanism isn't a force ability).

I dont think she needs changed at all tbh.

i have been thinking about it alot.

I do not know if she needs changed.

She is needed to stop Booming Voice, she is needed to help stop Rebels. (Rebels and Imperials leading the pack for since like the beginning of time).

I think we just need designers to put forth a TON of energy and time into more mid costed Jedi in OR that are awesome.


The idea of meditation and a handful of force users and some tech is super fun.

OR can be super fun and the idea that it does so without needing super super powerful tech. (evade, mobile, cloaked OR tow cable, GMA, and swap, OR swap, master tact, and opportunist)
there good tech is fun tech, an extra attack, that is awesome and can't be abused that much due to shooters being held in check.

So, I think that if we do change her it would make it a ton easier to design in OR, but I think it can be done without changing her.
I mean 33 points is a lot.
For 34 points in Rebels you can have
See-Threepio 12
Reeikan 14
and Juno is 12

OR See-Threepio, Artoo-Detoo, and an ugnaught is 33 which takes care of door control, an attack boost, possible cloaked, distraction with diplomat.

OR
Reeikan and Madine (evade, mobile, and disruptive and commandos get cunning +20) with an ug

OR
Reeikan, Dodonna, Juno
Reeikan, Dodonna, See-Threepio


I guess the two biggest questions I am working through my head are

1) does it hurt melee?

I think it hurts Sith melee and Republic melee

2) will it help defeat Thrawn, Dodonaa, and rebels?

I think that it can if it is done right.

Oops, Deena Shan is the one....

I think your distinction is true.

However, the question that has to be asked imo is if she hurts melee. If she hurts Melee than a change is more warranted imo.

If melee is not hurt that much, than I think she should be fine.

The second question, will she help defeat Thrawn with Ozzel, Dodonna in NR, and Rebels in general?

If she hurts melee a little but helps beat Thrawn and Dodonna than she is still worth imo.

Booming Voice is still so powerful and needs a soft counter (preferably in Sith or Separatists)

holy f-ing cow!!!
7 .5 years later, there's talk of changing Bastila?
she doesn't show up to often, I'm usually the only one that plays her.

Let her be!

My feeling about Blast Bugs! (granted, way more people play BBs but I still feel that way)

ABM was terrible design 7.5 years ago too, infact a lot of vset pieces that are specifically designed so that they show up in the competitive setting are just terrible, simply because the focus is more on competing than on FUN and as a game FUN should take precedence, but it doesn't. Not that my opinion even matters because I do not play competitively simply because it's just not FUN.

Since playing with/against her isn't an issue for me now she's just annoying due to having to add Disciplined Leader to any Custom commander figure where the CE is a big part of their design.

Full disclaimer: I don't care if I win or lose, there are just too many NPEs you are likely to face to make the required drive not worth it to me.

Guys, we're all friends here, let's keep this civil - Bastila was getting picked on in another thread, and few were defending her there, so I just wanted to see what ideas anyone had for changing her. That is all.

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