There was discussion in another thread about the proliferation of good but not amazing mid-cost Jedi in Old Republic. "Power 8" in the thread title just means they're an 8/10: good and playable but not something you build a squad around. I wanted to take a look at them and thought I'd post it publicly. So here they are... starting with melee Uniques (cost 15-40) that you could slot into just about any squad. These are the damage-dealer options. I have some comments on the tech options, but that's not really what I want this thread to be about.

I don't think there are any Power 10 Jedi in this cost range that aren't primarily tech (Covenant Defender and Bastila, who is power 11). Vodo and Satele are among the best, but probably power 9. Ven up at cost 46 might be a power 10. Jury's still out on him, but he's not part of this thread anyway.

I tagged some of them for some roles they can fill:
(bigmove): Can move 10 or more squares in a round and still deal damage (without being granted a bonus attack from the Old Republic Senator).
(scissors): Kill a bunch of enemies in one turn without requiring the enemies to conveniently clump up together all next to you. (I.e. Triple Attack or Lightsaber Sweep by itself doesn't count.)
(tank-buster): Unpreventable damage, auto-failed saves, or big direct damage to get damage onto highly-defensive enemies.
(bighit): Just about all of the characters that made the top half of the list can GMA-Double or Twin or Lightsaber Assault. With Bastila, that means they're almost all doing 60+ damage on the move. So for this tag, they need to be able to do at least 70dmg on the move or 90dmg standing still. Either way, it should go over 100dmg in a phase with a Senator. Note that some characters with this tag require additional synergy (e.g. Prideful from Valenthyne) to reach that much damage.
(defense): Has (built-in) some sort of shooter-defense (Stealth, Cloaked, or save-based damage evasion) and some sort of melee-defense (LS Duelist, save-based damage evasion). Lightsaber Defense checks both boxes. This tag isn't as valuable as it sounds since Arca Spirit or a Holocron can give them Lightsaber Defense anyway, but you can save some points if it's built-in. Force Bubble also checks both boxes.


Unique "Power 8" Jedi:
Sylvar, Betrayed Jedi 25: (scissors) (bigmove) Furious Burst is her coolest trick.

Shoaneb Culu, Jedi Knight 28: (bigmove) (defense) Low-cost Twin attacker with Pilot and Force Sense. Matches especially well with shooter squads and other Pilots, but potentially strong enough to drop in anywhere. Eligible for Speed 8 with Pilot and can Move Faster to get 10 squares and then attack.

Kerra Holt 29: (scissors) (bigmove) (defense) Her big tricks are Rolling Attacks and Force Pull. Force Pull closes the gap to hit an enemy 12 squares away in one turn, and Rolling Attacks is unlimited movement as long as there are scrubs to kill. Suffers from low attack if she doesn't get her Loner bonus.

Xesh 32: (tank-buster) Really good stats and Force Lightning 4 to light up a Soresu Style Master tank.

Vima Sunrider 33: (tank-buster) (bigmove) Sokan for unblockable damage in the right circumstances. Plus 16 square Charging-Twin.

Kira Carsen 34: (bighit) Leaping Triple attacker. She might be a half notch below the other options listed up here.

Ulic-Qel-Droma, Jedi Knight 34: Just a solid set of stats and abilities, but nothing really unique.

Satele Shan 37: (bigmove) (bighit) (defense) Good chance she's a Power 9 piece. Bodyguard, Parry, and Intution-Double-Cunning are her big tricks. Intuition-Double-Cunning-Bastila is good for up to 80dmg at the top of the round after moving 6. Or Intuition-move-Cunning for 12-squares of movement and an attack.

Jedi Master Vodo-Siosk Baas 38: (bigmove) (bighit) (defense) Good chance he's Power 9, too, but too new to know for sure. Force Weapon gives him built-in 30dmg, and Bastila gives him 80 on the move with Twin. 10-square range with Knight Speed. 170 in a phase on the move with Bastila and a Senator.



Not making the cut (too weak, too techy, or too specialized):
Crado, Jedi Apprentice 18: probably power 7. Worse than the ones above, but the cheapest Unique Jedi in OR, so he might find his way into a squad if you're specifically boosting Unique Jedi and he's the only option that fits in the points you have left.
Squint 20: WotC piece. Power 6, maybe?
Krynda Draay 20: Pure tech piece.
Master Q'Anilia 23: Power not yet determined, but is very niche - boosts specific pieces and has a Rival for Bastila so that means this piece can't just slot into a squad so easily. Can cancel a Force power used before the first activation of a round.
Cay Qel-Droma 28: WotC piece. Power 6 or so.
Visas Marr 29: WotC piece. Solid Power 7. Good for a WotC piece, but Shoaneb pretty much replaces her as the go-to Force Sense piece. She's a bodyguard, though, so might find a slot in a squad that wants another Jedi and really needs to protect something.
Arfan Ramos 30: Super-stealth guy. He's power 8 or more and playable, but not a guy you can just slot into a squad like the ones above. If you aren't using his super-stealth he probably isn't worth it.
Mical, the Disciple 30: Power 7 healer. Maybe a 6.
Tott Doneeta 31: Might be power 8+. I'm not sure I've seen anyone really push his limits and test it at a regional. But his big trick requires a Savage and you pretty much have to build a "Tott Doneeta" squad if you're using him.
Bastila Shan, Jedi Master 33: She's pretty good, I hear. But is definitely a tech piece.
Arca Jeth 35: Tech. Good movement breaker, but not 35 points good. Would've been a good addition with bad stats and cost 15-20. Then again, that's about what his ghost is, and the ghost is Power 9 or 10.
Odan-Urr 35: Not a bad attacker, but you play him to get a second turn for a big beat stick. Might be Power 10 someday if somebody figures out a killer combo with him, but probably Power 7 for now. Maybe an 8. But he's tech anyway so down here he goes.
The Jedi Exile, Hero of Onderon 39: Tech. The reason you play her is for her CE and to hand out LSDefense.

Would it be ok to add Atton Jaq to the list? I know he is not a jedi per se but he is great.

Those are some really fun looking pieces by the way. It is good to see them together. The combinations of different play styles using them can be very fun as well.

And here's a list combining the mid-cost "Power 8" Jedi. Both Uniques and non-Uniques, by cost, without the comments and without the techy or bad pieces. Just to see what all the options are in one list, by cost:

Mirialan Jedi Knight 20 (defense)

Padawan on Swoop Bike 20 (scissors) (bigmove)

Jedi Shadow 23 (bighit)

Sylvar, Betrayed Jedi 25 (scissors) (bigmove)

Covenant Hand 26 (bighit)

Green Jedi 26 (defense)

Jedi Battlemaster 27 (defense)

Jedi Seer 27

Shoaneb Culu, Jedi Knight 28 (bigmove) (defense)

Kerra Holt 29 (scissors) (bigmove) (defense)

Arkanian Jedi General 30 (bighit) (defense)

Green Jedi Commander 30 (bigmove) (bighit)

Covenant Protector 31

Army of Light Jedi Lord 32 (bigmove) (bighit) (defense)

Xesh 32 (tank-buster)

Vima Sunrider 33 (tank-buster) (bigmove)

Kira Carsen 34 (bighit)

Ulic-Qel-Droma, Jedi Knight 34

Corellian Jedi Lord 36 (bigmove) (bighit)

Satele Shan 37 (bigmove) (bighit) (defense)

Jedi Master Vodo-Siosk Baas 38 (bigmove) (bighit) (defense)

I have him listed at 21. The Protector is 31, though.

Isn't the Arkanian 30?

Yep. Thanks. I'll fix it.

I agree! So the question is, how do we make a good beatstick that lets the rest of the cool OR beats see play without just replacing them?

I threw in that idea about Synergy just for fun, but that really could be useful. Maybe a GOWK-like piece (except not meta-destroying). GOWK is so good because (a) you can't kill him and (b) his defense boost means you can't kill anyone else. Some sort of tank with a good Defense boost for OR Jedi would be enough - or at least go a long way - to allowing these OR Uniques to hit the top tables. (I am NOT advocating for more SSM, for those who don't like it ). That would actually work really nicely for Kao Cen Darach...

They Should be fun and Unique. See, here's where I think we're missing the boat. The OR were around "for over a thousand generations." Almost by definition, since the OR spans so much time compared to the Republic, Imps and every other force using faction, shouldn't they have a Lot of Jedi with unusual force powers; what was rare during the Republic should almost be everyday in the OR.



Is it simply a weakness vs shooters? They had to deal with a strong Mando Faction; The Sith had equally strange powers available to them compared to the Imps? The OR should be stronger than the Republic or the Rebels ... why aren't they the #1 Faction? (Just piggybacking what you said Arrow) Is their ranged support in-faction just too expensive? Relying on fringe support, is it too expensive vs in-faction versions that other Factions have?

OR just need more pieces designed to work with each other. The Covenant faction was a nice idea, but what happened? Pieces became to expensive, or no longer went with the Covenant mold. Movement is always key, and why Imps/Rebels/NR/Republic are the most competitive faction. If you look at Republic almost every squad has 2 GREAT movement breakers. r2, and Fould/Panaka/ or coordinated movement.


You have to stop trying to create "that one piece" and just design in unison, and not take a faction with no real character, 100 different ways because designers in different sets view things different.

The only Uniques I can think of that would/should have movement breakers in here are Revan and Satele Shan. V-Setters made an Epic Satele; they should've just made her in the 40-50 point range and given her something. I don't think anybody else would qualify as an uber Jedi, maybe Nomi?