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when Lumiya uses her melee reach 3 against GMLS, GMLS cant use his Djem So Mastery, right? RIGHT!!??
GoD I hope not.........
i know melee reach counts for purposes of adjacency of the attacker, but I am not sure as far as opponents.
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i'd say yes cause things like self destruct and riposte work... right?
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Yes. When Melee Reach is in effect the characters are considered adjacent for all purposes.
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Djem So will work against anyone with Melee Reach. So you have to be careful with Lumiya when she goes to whack GMLS. However, her Self Destruct will work too. If you get Djem Soed by GMLS and he kills her when she attacked from 3 squares away, GMLS will take 40 damage (as will everyone else within 3 squares of her).
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THANX FELLAS!! FOR RUINING MY DAY!! ...just kidding. i was playing it last night as if Djem wouldnt work against her reach. so Lumiya is another bad force user to use against GMLS. my frikkin partner in our 2 vs. 2 match last night decided to be cute and run a ton of Keldor Bounty Hunters. he ran them together in his own 200 pt. squad, with his other miscelaneous fringers. one gets shot, hits for 50 on a crit from Han Galactic hero.....and would you believe it? Every stinking Keldor blew up, leaving him with one keldor total. (mind you, this happened twice in one match). 3 of my guys were killed aswell due to this debacle. 
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Jester007 wrote:Djem So will work against anyone with Melee Reach. So you have to be careful with Lumiya when she goes to whack GMLS. However, her Self Destruct will work too. If you get Djem Soed by GMLS and he kills her when she attacked from 3 squares away, GMLS will take 40 damage (as will everyone else within 3 squares of her).
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Jester007 I believe only the attacker would get SD from 3 squares away, everyone else would have to be adjacent.
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NO IT WONT!!! ok when Lumiya attacks ( if gmls is 2 squares away ) then gmls is adjacent TO LUMIYA. But lumiya isnt adjacent to gmls from gmls point of veiw. when gmls goes to use djem so its an attack from him then his melee attack kicks in. if GMLS had melee reach 3 then yes he would but since he dosnt no. and KFC riposte wouldnt work either against lumiya unless she was adjacent to the reposter or they had melee reach. but you are forgeting that gmls is melee as well. basicly what all you guys who say it can are saying is that gmls can attack lumiya using melee reach 3. djem so is still an attack and luke can only attack adjacent enemys to luke not Lumiya. he will be able to roll the save for djem so but unless she is adjacent to gmls he cant attack
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Xeonaught wrote:NO IT WONT!!! ok when Lumiya attacks ( if gmls is 2 squares away ) then gmls is adjacent TO LUMIYA. But lumiya isnt adjacent to gmls from gmls point of veiw. when gmls goes to use djem so its an attack from him then his melee attack kicks in. if GMLS had melee reach 3 then yes he would but since he dosnt no. and KFC riposte wouldnt work either against lumiya unless she was adjacent to the reposter or they had melee reach. but you are forgeting that gmls is melee as well. basicly what all you guys who say it can are saying is that gmls can attack lumiya using melee reach 3. djem so is still an attack and luke can only attack adjacent enemys to luke not Lumiya. he will be able to roll the save for djem so but unless she is adjacent to gmls he cant attack This is incorrect. When melee reach is in effect, the attacker is considered adjacent to all characters within X squares for all purposes. There is no "From the attackers perspective" or "From the defender's perspective", they are adjacent to each other when the ability is in effect.
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No there not so your saying that Lumiya is going to attack gmls from 3 squares away then kindly wallk up to him and take 60 damage walk back to her starting square. because thats the only way its possible.
The definition is this:When attacking, this character treats enemies up to 3 squares away as adjacent
When attacking ( so in other words when a dice is rolled to determine weather an attack hits or not )
THIS CARACTER not every caratcer and his dog treats enemies up to 3 squares away as adjacent
I would take this to court if i could and not go in with a lawyer and win
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Xeonaught wrote:
The definition is this:When attacking, this character treats enemies up to 3 squares away as adjacent
When attacking ( so in other words when a dice is rolled to determine weather an attack hits or not )
That's not the definition. The definition is: Quote:
Melee Reach [#]: When making an attack on its own turn, this character treats all characters within [#] squares as adjacent for all purposes. This character can be affected by enemy special abilities or Force powers that specify adjacent characters and that interrupt this attack, such as Self-Destruct.
Note the second sentence, it points out how if a melee reach character attacks and kills a character with Self Destruct, they would be affected by the self destruct, even if they are several squares away. Why would Djem So be any different? Also to note, If both of Luke's attacks hit on a Djem So attack, the damage would be 50, not 60 as the bonus only applies to the first attack.
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ok yes i see where you are coming from but i still dont think it makes sense. How can gmls make a ranged attack
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Xeonaught wrote:How can gmls make a ranged attack He's not. He's making a melee attack against an adjacent character.
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but Lumiya isnt adjacent to him. hes adjacent to her but shes not adjacent to him.
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Xeonaught wrote:but Lumiya isnt adjacent to him. hes adjacent to her but shes not adjacent to him. That would be incorrect. They are considered adjacent for all purposes, not just for the purposes of Lumiya's attack.
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well this is obviously a debate neither of us is going to let go of. I dont think its right and i think wizards relly dicked it up. oh well i gess its one of the many stupid things im gunna have to live with. But quick question. what if its lukes turn and he runs within 3 squares of Lumiya so not in one of the 8 squares directly next to her but say 2 squares away can he then attack her with a melee attack 
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One thing to note though is how you are thinking the ability works is similar to how it did when it initially debuted in Universe, where the attacker was only considered adjacent for the purposes of the attack. However, that led to complex and odd rules interactions (For instance, a rancor attacking a Viper Droid would wind up punching itself in the face half the time) that left practically the entire player base confused. To rectify this, the ability has since been errataed to it's simplified current form.
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Quote:But quick question. what if its lukes turn and he runs within 3 squares of Lumiya so not in one of the 8 squares directly next to her but say 2 squares away can he then attack her with a melee attack No, he does not have the Melee Reach ability, and Lumiya's is not active at that point.
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but wait if he dosnt have melee reach then he can only attack people in the 8 squares that are adjacent to him hmm. so how can he attack some one 3 squares away and when you make the djem so are you not activating luke to make the attack? not in the sense that you can move and gain force renewal. but in the sense that you are acnowledging that he is taking a turn, making an attack and inflicting damage?
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Quote:so how can he attack some one 3 squares away and when you make the djem so are you not activating luke to make the attack? Because when the Melee Reach Special ability is in effect, the two characters are considered adjacent to each other. Also, Luke is neither activating nor is he taking a turn when he uses Djem So; the action is happening on Lumiya's turn during her attack.
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What ever it does not make any sense oh well
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