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TimmerB123
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In the Trenches
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(1/30) Crusader General {RM - Sith Lord (JA 11)} (2/30) General Vaklu, Defender of Onderon {RM - Biggs Darklighter (AE 3)}
(3/30) Gnost-Dural, Jedi Master (Trevor P's Gen Con Champ piece) {RM Plo Koon (Clone Strike 22)}
(4/30) Green Jedi Soldier {RM - Republic Commando Training Sergeant (LotF 9)}
(5/30) Ithorian Crusader {RM - Ithorian Commander (AE 10)}

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(6/30) Darth Angral {RM - Vader's Apprentice, Unleashed (TFU 43)}
(7/30) Gavar Khai {RM - Emperor Palpatine, Sith Lord (RotS 59)}

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(8/30) Commander Rex and Ahsoka Tano {RM - Aerial Clone Trooper Captain (CS 2)}

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(9/30) Darth Tyranus, Dark Lord of the Sith {RM - Darth Tyranus, Legacy of the Dark Side (LotF 10)} (10/30) Geonosian Trooper {RM - Verpine Tech (TFU 26)}
(11/30) Sun Fac, Chief Lieutenant {RM - Vodo-Siosk Baas (JA 4)}

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(12/30) Dashade Partisan {RM - Trandoshan Elite Mercenary (DT 36)}

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(13/30) Bhindi Drayson, Wraith Squadron Counter-Tech Expert {RM - Moff Nyna Calixte (LotF 27)}(14/30) Lando Calrissian, Resistance Recruiter {RM - Lando Calrissian, Dashing Scoundrel (AE 49)}(15/30) New Republic Defense Force Lieutenant {RM - Sith Trooper Captain (KotOR 21)}
(16/30) Wedge Antilles, Wraith Squadron Founder {RM - Wedge Antilles, Red Two (TFU 27)}(17/30) Wraith Squadron Recruit {RM - Aqualish Technician (GaW 34)}

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(18/30) Benthic, Partisan Lieutenant {RM - Zuckuss, Bounty Hunter (DT 29)}

(19/30) Central Isopter Cultist {RM - Royal Guard (RS 32)} (20/30) Dashade Pirate {RM - Trandoshan Mercenary (AE 55)}
(21/30) Hunt Saboteur {RM - Twi'lek Scout (LotF 17)}(22/30) Hylobon Enforcer {RM - Bothan Commando (IE 1)}(23/30) Nightsister Spirit {RM - Felucian (JA 32)}(24/30) Pirate Breachman {RM - Separatist Commando (RotS 38)}

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(25/30) Dred Priest {RM - Luke Skywalker, Hero of Yavin (AE 12)}
(26/30) Kex, Neo-Crusader Quartermaster {RM - Commander Gree (CW 9)}
(27/30) Neo Crusader Sergeant {RM - Kota's Militia (DT 15)}
(28/30) Ruusaan Skirata {RM - Princess Leia, Rebel Hero (UH 50)}

Quote:
(29/30) Kunra, Shamed Lieutenant {RM - Massassi Sith Mutant (CotF 14)}
(30/30) Supreme Commander Sla Tsun {RM - Captain Tarpals (KotOR 23)}



Behind Enemy Lines (subset)
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(1/6) Darth Wyyrlok, Emperor's Ward {RM - Mas Amedda, (CotF 30)}
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(2/6) Lorn Pavan {RM - Bail Organa (RotS 5)}

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(3/6) Red Hand Syndicate Spy {RM - Iktotchi Tech Specialist (RotS 47}

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(4/6) Garik "Face" Loran, Wraith Squadron Intrusion Lead {RM - Rebel Commando (RS 15)}
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(5/6) Arvo Norstag, Pirate King {RM - Dr Evazan (UH 17)}
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(6/6) Isabet Reau {RM - Princess Leia (AE 16)}[quote]




Spoiler Dates:

April 8
Names only:
4/30 Green Jedi Soldier
9/30 Darth Tyranus, Dark Lord of the Sith
11/30 Sun Fac, Chief Lieutenant
20/30 Dashade Pirate
23/30 Nightsister Spirit

April 15
Names only:
5/30 Ithorian Crusader
7/30 Gavar Khai
13/30 Bhindi Drayson, Wraith Squadron Counter-Tech Expert
29/30 Kunra, Shamed Lieutenant
1/6 Darth Wyrrlok, Emperor's Hand

April 22
Names only:
2/30 General Vaklu, Defender of Onderon
12/30 Dashade Partison
15/30 New Republic Defense force Lieutenant
24/30 Pirate Breachman
26/30 Kex, Neo Crusader Quartermaster

April 29
Names only:
3/30 Gnost Dural, Jedi Master
7/30 Commander Rex and Ahsoka Tano
16/30 Wedge Antilles, Wraith Squadron Founder
18/30 Benthic, Partisan Lieutenant
21/30 Hunt Saboteur

Stats: Red hand Syndicate Spy

May 6
Names only:
17/30 Wraith Squadron Recruit
19/30 Central Isopter Cultist
25/30 Dred Priest
28/30 Ruusaan Skirata

Stats: 2/6 Lorn Pavan

May 13
Names only:
27/30 Neo Crusader Sergeant
30/30 Supreme Commander Sla Tsun
4/6 Garik "Face" Loran, Wraith Squadron Intrusion Specialist

Stats: 5/6 Arvo Norstag, Pirate King

May 20
Stats:
Gavar Khai
Dashade Pirate

May 27
Stats:
Benthic, Partisan Lieutenant (Ben-Thic?) Wink
Wraith Squadron Recruit
Supreme Commander Sla Tsun

May Sunday Regional (May 30)
Stats:
Kex, Neo-Crusader Quartermaster

June 3
Stats:
General Vaklu, Defender of Onderon
Hunt Saboteur
Geonosian Trooper

June 10
Stats:
Bhindi Drayson, Wraith Squadron Counter Tech Specialist
Wedge Antilles, Wraith Squadron Founder
Ithorian Crusader

June Sunday Regional (June 13)
Stats:
Darth Tyranus, Dark Lord of the Sith

June 17
Stats:
Pirate Breachman
Gnost Dural, Jedi Master
Darth Wyyrlok, Emperor's Hand

June 24
Stats:
Dred Priest
Neo Crusader Sergeant
Crusader General

Kokomo Regional (June 26)
Stats:
Commander Rex and Ahsoka Tano

July 1
Stats:
Ruusaan Skirata
Dashade Partisan
Garik "Face" Loran, Wraith Squadron Intrusion Lead

July 8
Stats:
Isabet Reau
Green Jedi Soldier
Kunra, Shamed Lieutenant

July Sunday Regional (July 11)
Stats:
Darth Angral

July 15
Stats:
Sun Fac, Chief Lieutenant
Central Isopter Cultist
New Republic Defense Force Lieutenant
TimmerB123
Posted: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 12:50:07 PM
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ooooh, look! Shiny!
General_Grievous
Posted: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 1:43:53 PM
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Woot Jax Pavan support! Also looking forward to see what the new Separatist and Vong characters do. And Rex/Ahsoka, very cool. Only complaint to balance out the hype is special ability overload on some of these characters. That red hand almost has as many special abilities as his cost. And 12+ a CE for the low cost pirate king is crazy. Too many abilities on cheap characters makes the game pretty complex and more RPG-like versus skirmish squad battling game, but I have been saying that for years for no effect so *shrugs*.
adamb0nd
Posted: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 2:24:53 PM
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Loving the pirate love, especially for Hondo and Nym. Long overdue subfaction and finally at a sweet place for competitive options.

My few attempts at playing lost tribe went miserably due to a lack of defense against shooters. evade should help quite nicely.

harryg
Posted: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 2:28:05 PM
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Can't wait to see that Ahsoka/Rex piece
adamb0nd
Posted: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 2:29:58 PM
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I'm a fan of simpler, wotc-like designs too, but I can understand the need to be a little more heavy handed for helping under developed subfactions. That deshad is brutal though for a non unique. I bet he'll make a splash.
imyurhukaberry
Posted: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 7:08:27 PM
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Stifling Attack...wooo!
TimmerB123
Posted: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 8:04:54 AM
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adamb0nd wrote:
I'm a fan of simpler, wotc-like designs too, but I can understand the need to be a little more heavy handed for helping under developed subfactions. That deshad is brutal though for a non unique. I bet he'll make a splash.


Yeah, one of the things we can't get around these days is the need for LIMITING special abilities. We can no longer just make a decent piece that can be boosted 6 ways from Sunday. We need special abilities to make sure they don't get overpowered. It's not just a list of what they can do, but also what they can't do, in a matter of speaking.

Single-shot blaster, exclusive loyalty, rival, singular focus, low caste, fixed cost, loyalists code, etc, etc

These abilities (and more) were necessary to add to multiple figures, and they do add to the total number of SAs on a card.

additionally, we have conditional SAs, such as Rapport and Call for Support, and added new ones such as Covert Tech and Heat Signature Dissipation.

Example - The Dashade Pirate was originally 30pts. When play tested in all-pirate squads with Arvo Norstag, they we balanced. But then when tested outside of all pirates with greater movement breakers - too strong. SO we added rapport 5 with Arvo Norstag, and added 5pts to the cost. Additionally, we dropped attack, and added synergy with pirate commanders.

This was after already making shatter beam conditional (via covert tech - only if all unique allies are pirates), and making cloaked conditional (via heat signature dissipation - if they don't move on their turn), and then further tweaking it to only last until end of round instead of until they next activate.

So - if the Dashade Pirate simply had original cost, original attack, shatter beam and cloaked, they'd be crazy broken in many squads, and still not used in all pirate squads.

OR - we could have dropped all that and they'd simply not be that great, but horrible in all pirate squads.

NOW (hopefully) they will be usable outside of all-pirate squads, but really shine with all pirates (where they are good but not broken).


So finding that balance took a lot of effort, and additional balancing special abilities. On top of a piece that already (intentionally) had several tricks up its sleeve. The end result is a wall of text on the card but a much better and balanced overall piece.


To be clear - I still hear what you are saying. Not all pieces are like this in vset 22. There are several pieces with 1-3 abilities. (btw, I personally don't count Unique, Melee attack, or identifiers such as Pilot or Subfaction name, which could just as easily be in the name of the character).

Some people love the more complex figures. Some love more simple. We have something for everyone.


In fact - stay tuned to the Sith Holonews Network tomorrow night for 2 new spoilers, one which has a lot going on, but the other is super simple. Not counting necessary limiting abilities and a unit type identifier, it only has ONE ability. So hopefully that will be good to see for those who like simpler figures.
adamb0nd
Posted: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 4:11:27 PM
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Solid points. Mine is just a personal preference- nothing to do with design quality (which is great). The more abilities a piece has, the more likely I am too forget about one at a critical game deciding moment.

I'm also in favor of the limiting special abilities. Good flavor, good power creep control, and generally, easy to keep track of. Rapport and rival don't really trigger after squad building.

As for deshad, I think y'all did a great job balancing him for different squad types, but I think he'll be top tier, up there with up with night sisters as far as powerful non uniques go.
TimmerB123
Posted: Friday, May 28, 2021 6:20:49 AM
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Spoiled 5/27:

Stats:
Benthic, Partisan Lieutenant (Ben-Thic?) Wink
Wraith Squadron Recruit
Supreme Commander Sla Tsun
adamb0nd
Posted: Friday, May 28, 2021 9:13:17 AM
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I've played some wraith squads. They're becoming real contenders.
The new recruits a good door control for subfaction pure builds, and well designed with the limiter SAs.

Ben Thic is looking might fine, lol. He's only legal if you have Adam Driver available to stand on your mini map?
TimmerB123
Posted: Monday, May 31, 2021 8:11:07 AM
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May Sunday Regional spoiler posted

Sexy-Kexy!
TimmerB123
Posted: Friday, June 4, 2021 6:39:28 AM
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A General, a bug, and what the heck is a Hunt Saboteur?
imyurhukaberry
Posted: Friday, June 4, 2021 6:54:53 AM
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Sonic Bolt FTW!
TimmerB123
Posted: Friday, June 11, 2021 7:51:30 AM
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A couple of wraiths and a Sith obsessed tree worshiper
TimmerB123
Posted: Friday, June 11, 2021 8:04:39 AM
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More Flavor text from spoiled pieces that didn't make it on the card, but hopefully will be in Bloo once the set goes up.

Quote:
"Take only that which you have won in battle. Take not from your allies. Take not from those who shield you. Respect your brother and sister pirates. Respect and honor their allegiances. Respect and honor those who fight against you. Relish in the taking of a prize."
―Buccaneer Code, authored by Arvo Norstag


Quote:
Those who try to keep a Dashade on a short leash soon receive a first-hand lesson in why these shadowy assassins are so widely feared.



Quote:
"Sir, not all battles call for lightsabers. Some of them are fought with vibroblades in back alleys. The New Republic needs those vibroblades, too, and doesn't have them."
―Wedge Antilles, to Admiral Ackbar - on the need to form Wraith Squadron


Quote:
"Bhindi is one of our tactics experts. She's been learning whatever she can about Yuuzhan Vong tactics."
―Garik Loran on Bhindi Drayson




TimmerB123
Posted: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 7:53:57 AM
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I fell way off of this, sorry to anyone who might care. Catching up!

(From June 13)
Been awhile since we had a new version of The Count, eh?

(From June 17)
A subfaction scrub,
a CHAMPION'S design,
and a New Sith Subfaction cornerstone piece!

Quote:
{Glossary only entry}
One Sith - Any character whose name contains One Sith or who has the One Sith special ability. The following characters are also treated as if they have One Sith: Darth Krayt; Darth Maladi; Darth Nihl; Darth Nihl, Hand of Krayt; Darth Stryfe; Darth Talon; Darth Talon, Sith Assassin; Darth Wyyrlok III; Krayt's Sith Trooper; Lomi Plo; Lord Krayt; Vongerella; and Welk, Night Herald.



TimmerB123
Posted: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 7:56:27 AM
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(From June 24)
A cheap Death Watch Unique,
a Neo-Crusader NU commander,
and more Jedi Crusader love (check out Reckless Assault!)

(From June 26)
A Duo piece straight outta the last season of The Clone Wars!
TimmerB123
Posted: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 8:01:07 AM
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(From July 1st)

Kal Skirata's daughter, who solidifies a new MANDO subfaction,
a Partisan "Wraith" (species),
and a Unique Wraith (subfaction) commander

Quote:
{Glossary only entry}
Clan Skirata [Any character whose name contains Clan Skirata or with the Clan Skirata special ability. The following characters are also treated as if they have Clan Skirata: Bardan Jusik; Etain Tur-Mukan; Kal Skirata; Null ARC Trooper Captain Ordo; Republic Commando Atin; Republic Commando Darman; Republic Commando Fi; Republic Commando Dev; Republic Commando Jind; Republic Commando Niner; Venku Skirata]
TimmerB123
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(From July 8)

The counterpart to the other cheap Death Watch Unique in this set,
beefin' up the Shamed Ones,
and an Old Republic Swiss Army knife non-unique (check out Burst Run!)
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