How does the extra characters of Sidious work in a sith squad. Are they considered reinforcements? Do they count for kill points? Even wondering if you can bring in XT droids with him as they have low caste but it doesn't say these count as reinforcements. Low Caste also says cannot be brought in through their abilities, but this is a CE, so assuming you can bring them in through this CE?

adamb0nd is correct.

adamb0nd was close, but not entirely correct.

1. They do not count as reinforcements.
2. Your optional character sideboard should be preselected at squad registration.
3. They do not affect Palpatine's cost.
4. They do score victory points when defeated.
5. They do score gambit points.
6. XT-6 Droids may be brought in regardless of Low Caste and Droid.

From the design thread:
Post subject: Re: (Darth Sidious, Sith Emperor /Sith)PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:41 am

Post subject: Re: (Darth Sidious, Sith Emperor /Sith)PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:05 am


Characters being added to your squad (Porgs) should score victory points when defeated.

The only characters who do not score victory points when defeated are the ones who replaced a defeated enemy.
e.g. Rakghoul Disease, Advanced Rakghoul Disease, Nightsister Zombie, Sith Alchemy, ect.

awesome thank you! I think it would make sense if the CE characters came in adjacent, especially in this scenario but also get why they currently start in the starting zone. This was very helpful!

After reading playtest threads, I think it was decided players should not be able to place an Uvak in the center of the map.

This is why we need playtesters!

Hmm that’s a good question about the droid….not sure..? Also what’s an Uvak?

Ahh I see. So likely they start in starting zone. Anyone have any idea if you can bring in droids through the CE? Or are more sure about where the CE characters are added?

V-Set 13 Queen Allana Solo should be the precedent.

When Tim and I designed Eighth Cortex Shaper on v-set 14. Our goal was to make Unique Vong more competitive by providing a bonus character for them. We felt it was the only way to enhance their gameplay at the time.

We used wording to refer to the bonus character as a "reinforcement" (when reinforcements were free) and created a glossary stating they weren't worth points. This was due to the precedent set by Queen Allana Solo from v-set 13, which does not refer to added characters as reinforcements and is played with the added characters being worth points.

Later when Randy and I designed Darth Sidious, SE on v-set 24 we did not want "free" flying Uvaks going 20 squares and bashing multiple enemies for 50 damage. This was discussed in the playtest thread with TJ who designed Queen Allana Solo. In that thread, I referenced Queen Allana Solo as a precedent for them being worth points.

It seems to me the Eighth Cortex Shaper is the exception to the rule.
I've had a chat with Tim, my co-designer for Eighth Cortex Shaper, and he prefers the original design with the "free" character. I totally respect his viewpoint, and I don't want to get into any heated arguments in the balance committee.

To make things simple, I propose considering characters added through a Commander Effect as worth points by default. Then update the CE for Eighth Cortex Shaper on Bloomilk, removing the part about "reinforcement" and stating that the added character is not worth points.

well with reinforcements now, it would seem that the Uvak would be 20 points and sidious be 19 then as the reinforcements are worth points and then decrease the existing character with the reinforcements. Is this correct? Or if you kill sidious and the Uvak are you getting 39 and 20 points respectively?? Also, for the cortex shaper and allana- since these additional characters are not worth victory points, can they score gambit?

got it. thanks for the help