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Poll Question : Be Able To Rate A Squad On The Top Of All Time? (Poll is closed)
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Yes, Even If It Is On The Top Of All Time 19 79.166666 %
No It Shouldnt Be Able To Be Rated On Anymore 5 20.833333 %

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Darth Percocet
Posted: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 6:27:55 AM
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BEFORE YOUR VOTE PLEASE READ THIS

Bloomilk has this Def. for this topic.

Top Rated Squads
These squads are squads that have achieved a high average rating and obtained a lot of votes. Some of these may be outdated now, but they were good enough at their time to be the top squads. Some of them are still just as strong now as they were when they were created.

My question Is, Once A Squad Reaches The Top Rated Squad Of All Time List. Should It Still Be Able To Be Rated On? Or Should It Be Able To Be Stayed Left Alone? Because Of The People Who Are Haters & Will Give It Alot Of 1's To Get It Off There?
DarthJak
Posted: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 6:51:57 AM
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tread this path carefully.
this issue is a HOT topic and will be watched for CoC violations
Darth Percocet
Posted: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 6:55:01 AM
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DarthJak wrote:
tread this path carefully.
this issue is a HOT topic and will be watched for CoC violations


Oh i know it is a hot issue Jak & i appreciate you giving me a heads up, thats why your a friend, dont worry this is just a poll to hopefully get this rule into place that once a squad reachs the top 10 of all time, you should be able to comment on it yea, but not rate on it. because heres the deff. for the top rated squads.

Top Rated Squads
These squads are squads that have achieved a high average rating and obtained a lot of votes. Some of these may be outdated now, but they were good enough at their time to be the top squads. Some of them are still just as strong now as they were when they were created.
imyurhukaberry
Posted: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 7:04:08 AM
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I think they should be able to be rated. If they fall out of grace, then so be it. I think by the time they get into the top spots, a few 1s won't hurt their rating much. Most have over a 50 votes already.
I don't think it will be an issue.
Darth Percocet
Posted: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 7:12:15 AM
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imyurhukaberry wrote:
I think they should be able to be rated. If they fall out of grace, then so be it. I think by the time they get into the top spots, a few 1s won't hurt their rating much. Most have over a 50 votes already.
I don't think it will be an issue.


Well thats just it huk, i've got 5..1's within 16 hours to knock my squad completely off the top rated of all time. & thats not fair when it was there for months. So i feel if the people vote for it that it should be like how i proposed i think the moderators should change it. Also i think it should still stay the top 10 squads of all time.

Not the top 3, the top 10 lets more people achieve that goal. The only other time a squad would be able to get knocked off of that list is if a newer squad gets rated that much better to make the list & the squad that is #10 on that list will be pushed off the list, that will keep the fun in making squads since noone can seem to fix the 1 bandit problem.
Darth Percocet
Posted: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 7:25:10 AM
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Another Thing, if a well known user breaks the rules on bloomilk, that non-well known users would break & get banned for really putting out a good example for bloomilk? Is it really worth letting these users get more pull on this site than others? What i can see will happen to this will be alot of users stop using bloomilk. Everyone including the moderators should have to abide by the same rules as everyone else. How is this fair?

I was on the urge of selling all of my mini's because i have children & needed the money untill a few friends talked me out of it. So i was gone for 2 months from this site. Only to come back to the same problems that i thought would of been changed now that almost had myself & alot others i know to stop using bloomilk because we seen no change.

So my question is this, is it really worth letting certain known users get away with what they want & everyone else has to abide by the rules? Because i can see again alot of members not using this site in the future if changes arent made.
dnemiller
Posted: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 7:46:04 AM
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So DP,

Are you sure you have done everything you can to make sure nobody does stuff like this?

So DP are you saying that it ought to be put into the CoC that if someone is caught one bombing they should be banned?

I mean say if they were sending pms to people bragging about doing it would that deserve a banning from the site?

I think you might be on to something there. But it ought to be both ways too. If someone is sending pms asking people to give his squad a ten so it can move up because that is the same thing. Giving false ratings to bring a squad up or down.

I think that would be good DP.

What do you think ban them for stuff like that?
Darth Percocet
Posted: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 7:56:36 AM
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dnemiller wrote:
So DP,

Are you sure you have done everything you can to make sure nobody does stuff like this?

So DP are you saying that it ought to be put into the CoC that if someone is caught one bombing they should be banned?

I mean say if they were sending pms to people bragging about doing it would that deserve a banning from the site?

I think you might be on to something there. But it ought to be both ways too. If someone is sending pms asking people to give his squad a ten so it can move up because that is the same thing. Giving false ratings to bring a squad up or down.

I think that would be good DP.

What do you think ban them for stuff like that?
Wysten
Posted: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:03:01 AM
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I thiink that there should be a hall of fame for armies that make the top 10. However, the top 10 itself should constantly shift, it's meant to respersent the best of the best of now. Not of last year.

Of course, rating is just subjective nowadays, I give it a low rating if it lacks fundimentals. Otherwise I will award around the averge 7 (solid playablity) unless it's exceptional in some way. Otherwise I value comments much more.
Uggie Demo
Posted: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:08:31 AM
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I think they were talking about the Top Rated Squad List on this site(under the squads section) not just the Top 5 squads.
Darth Percocet
Posted: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:10:59 AM
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dnemiller wrote:
So DP,

Are you sure you have done everything you can to make sure nobody does stuff like this?

So DP are you saying that it ought to be put into the CoC that if someone is caught one bombing they should be banned?

I mean say if they were sending pms to people bragging about doing it would that deserve a banning from the site?

I think you might be on to something there. But it ought to be both ways too. If someone is sending pms asking people to give his squad a ten so it can move up because that is the same thing. Giving false ratings to bring a squad up or down.

I think that would be good DP.

What do you think ban them for stuff like that?


Dean your a good player & same with bill i hold you in high respect. So if you think i sent pm's to people telling them to give me 10's, thats your every right to think that. If you feel that i should be banned thats your every right. It still dont change the fact that i think your a great guy, & was really hurt when i heard about your wife last year. Your a family man as i am & i respect what you do for the community. If you feel high & mighty to put me down, try making it seem that im a horrible person, thats your right as an american.

This thread wasnt meant to put on blast anyone & what anyone did. This poll was made so that i think once a squad reaches the top 10 of all time that it shouldnt be able to get rated anymore. Plain & simple.

So put me down, try making me out to be a bad guy, you have no proof of it whatsoever. I still think your a great guy for what you do for the game, & still hold you in the greatest respect as a player my friend. & me & you talked many times & you even gave me a few tips on what i was doing wrong. So i thank you for that & i hope that the power you have on these sites doesnt get to your head & hope you stay humble my friend, & thats right i still consider you a leader on this game & a great friend.

You looked past the ignorant stuff my brother said about you & didnt hold that against me. So thats why i consider you a great person Dean & wont comment on anything against you, when you speak i shut up & listen because you always help me when i do that. So thank you my friend & give my family my best. & God Bless
Darth Percocet
Posted: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:45:57 AM
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Uggie Demo wrote:
I think they were talking about the Top Rated Squad List on this site(under the squads section) not just the Top 5 squads.


Know what uggie, since you wrote that i think thats what they thought i meant too. No this is for the Top10 rated squads of all time on bloomilk under the Top Rated squads. I think once you get on that list, people shouldnt be able to rate them anymore, they should only be able to comment.

I dont like the personal shots i had taken at me on this thread, which in my opinion these people should get warned about it.

Rules of Conduct for bloomilk. Rule # 2 states:

2) No personal attacks. Any of the conditions that contain baiting, trolling, harassment, inflammatory action towards member(s), leading to disruption causing flame wars will be edited or removed from posts containing them. This includes things like name calling. We are here to discuss the topic, not the poster and if someone violates this rule and/or verbally attacks you, don't feed into it by responding, immediately message a moderator.

Please keep in mind that within these forums are there to encourage positive experience for our members within the Bloomilk community


Now in the 2 rule of conduct, the 2 highlighted things were done to me & i did notify 2 moderators right away, but from what im thinking, no actions will be taken.

So thats why i said this is turning into WOTC site. Where the people with power are aloud to take shots at people & also Make accusaions against members & get away with it wherefore if someone of my status on here were to defend themselves & write back & take shot like these users i would be banned. Tell me how thats fair to all the users on this site without power like certain users have even though they arent moderators.

And when i say i had this done to me i do not mean the users Dean Miller & Bill V
Lol, they could take shots at me & i will shut up & listen because they are the best & i look up to them.

As for me i didnt take no cheap shots, no baiting call outs, nothing. I didnt break any rules of conduct, but i've had it done to me with alot of proof. We used to all get along on here & were all like family. Dean & Bill actually took time out of there day to explain stuff to me on Vassal, which is amazing. Why cant it go back to that? Instead certain users which i will not mention names have more Power than they had before & now they can do whatever they want because they know they wont be warned or banned. Now thats not right.

I stayed away from this site for the fear that i thought this would happen like this, i came back & my fears were right. So i think Shinja & the Moderators need to make some changes & whoever is not a moderator or Shinja, should tell everyone & i mean everyone on here including these users who are more well known that everyone has to abide by the same rules.

I love this site but my fear is that im not gonna be the only one who will think this is a problem & this site will loose alot of members & i would hate for that to happen because this site is my 2nd home i made so many good friends on here & them friends talked me out of selling my mini's & staying in the game. Now im considering to sell my mini's again because nothing has changed. So please for the love of God, make these changes on this site where it matters & thats in the Squad Building section, & do something about the 1 bandit issue. Because its doing nothing but starting fights, getting people banned & will continue to do so.

Unless you make leaving a Comment manditory when leaving a rating on a squad. Untill you do that, this squad is falling. To many people have way more power than others & it isnt right. This is the best site in the history of SWM's & still is, but them little changes would just put it over the top of that much better.
dnemiller
Posted: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:47:09 AM
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what are talking about???

I asked if you thought that was a good solution!

What in the freakin world are you talking about?
Darth Percocet
Posted: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:51:02 AM
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dnemiller wrote:
what are talking about???

I asked if you thought that was a good solution!

What in the freakin world are you talking about?


Ahh dean im sorry, i didnt fully read what you wrote sorry for the misunderstanding.

To answer your question, yea i think people even sending pm's to give there squad a 10 should be given a warning. Finding out who a 1 bomber is, maybe not banned but given a warning. But if they keep doing so then ban them yes.

I think also once a squad reaches the top squads of all time, once there they should only be able to be commented on, not rated anymore.

The one bombing thing, i think some or most of us know who they are, i think Shinja really knows & i think he should send them a Warning. Because its not fair for someone to put in the work on a squad only to get the 1 after 1 after 1 after 1 & then there squad gets not public notice.

Me personally i dont care about the 1's anymore. I care about getting a 1 when theres no comment behind it, or even getting a 10 with no comment behind it. Squad builder is there so that we can help that person get there squad better. People want the input. Getting the top 5 spot is a good achievment but you shouldnt just focus on that.

Now if it reaches the top 10 of all time rated wise, then yea you should take pride.

But i just think theres alot of stuff that still needs work on this site period. & it all goes back to the Squad builder. Now my other thing is, if your not a moderator or Aaron (Shinja) then you should be treated the same as everyone else who is not one either. I dont care about how good or well known you are in the game. The same punishment for baiting & starting flame wars should be enforced on everyone.

Sorry Dean i didnt understand what you meant at first.
joelker41
Posted: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:04:44 AM
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I voted yes, reasons:

1) Squads from a year ago don't matter if there are better versions.

2) This is a community, if one user makes a squad that is top 10 worthy and it stays there, that's great, if it doesn't than other squads ( I can personally name more than half a dozen right now that are far superior to the lancer squad in question, it wasn't even the best version at the time) get cycled down. Makes sense.

3) have perspecxtive. People who rated squads 10s just because they are top 10, didn't understand them, or merely couldn't defeat it at the time. That doesn't make it a top squad. Besides if the people who once rated that squad a 10 were to see it back up there again they would probably lower their vote since it is outdated. Just speculation, but that would be my guess.

4) Ultimately being top 10 shouldn't mean anything a year after it was made usually. Squads, metas, and pieces included always change.

5) Since it is a public user-driven vote for top squads, USERS should be able to remove a squad if they wish as well.
Darth Percocet
Posted: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:12:30 AM
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joelker41 wrote:
I voted yes, reasons:

1) Squads from a year ago don't matter if there are better versions.

2) This is a community, if one user makes a squad that is top 10 worthy and it stays there, that's great, if it doesn't than other squads ( I can personally name more than half a dozen right now that are far superior to the lancer squad in question, it wasn't even the best version at the time) get cycled down. Makes sense.

3) have perspecxtive. People who rated squads 10s just because they are top 10, didn't understand them, or merely couldn't defeat it at the time. That doesn't make it a top squad. Besides if the people who once rated that squad a 10 were to see it back up there again they would probably lower their vote since it is outdated. Just speculation, but that would be my guess.

4) Ultimately being top 10 shouldn't mean anything a year after it was made usually. Squads, metas, and pieces included always change.

5) Since it is a public user-driven vote for top squads, USERS should be able to remove a squad if they wish as well.


Understood Joel, & your another person i listen to because of your expierence & IMO a really great player, but my point is this, Yea these squads on the top 10 of all time may of not been the best but they got voted to be. & it takes alot of ratings to get there.

So just because someone thinks it didnt deserve to be there then they should of voted otherwise when it was there to vote on. The top10 of all time isnt for squads that are good now or even great then. Its for squads who people thought were good then. Weither they misunderstood what could beat them or whatever it may be. They were voted highly.

Read this.

Top Rated Squads
These squads are squads that have achieved a high average rating and obtained a lot of votes. Some of these may be outdated now, but they were good enough at their time to be the top squads. Some of them are still just as strong now as they were when they were created

It doesnt say anything about it being the best squad of all time. It says the most highly rated squad of all time. This is for squads that achieved a high average rating. So peoples opinions are always gonna varey, but thats the def. for the top 10 squads of all time. So take that into account when you vote.
Partof1
Posted: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:22:00 AM
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DP, this isn't as big a deal as you're making it out to be. Opinions change, and should be allowed to.

The whole 1-rating issues stemmed from an inability to roll with the punches.

Your squad exists as your own, it is posted on this site. it shouldn't matter if it's on a particular page.

Take it in stride, and accept that nothing is eternal.
joelker41
Posted: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:31:12 AM
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Darth Percocet wrote:
joelker41 wrote:
I voted yes, reasons:

1) Squads from a year ago don't matter if there are better versions.

2) This is a community, if one user makes a squad that is top 10 worthy and it stays there, that's great, if it doesn't than other squads ( I can personally name more than half a dozen right now that are far superior to the lancer squad in question, it wasn't even the best version at the time) get cycled down. Makes sense.

3) have perspecxtive. People who rated squads 10s just because they are top 10, didn't understand them, or merely couldn't defeat it at the time. That doesn't make it a top squad. Besides if the people who once rated that squad a 10 were to see it back up there again they would probably lower their vote since it is outdated. Just speculation, but that would be my guess.

4) Ultimately being top 10 shouldn't mean anything a year after it was made usually. Squads, metas, and pieces included always change.

5) Since it is a public user-driven vote for top squads, USERS should be able to remove a squad if they wish as well.


Understood Joel, & your another person i listen to because of your expierence & IMO a really great player, but my point is this, Yea these squads on the top 10 of all time may of not been the best but they got voted to be. & it takes alot of ratings to get there.

So just because someone thinks it didnt deserve to be there then they should of voted otherwise when it was there to vote on. The top10 of all time isnt for squads that are good now or even great then. Its for squads who people thought were good then. Weither they misunderstood what could beat them or whatever it may be. They were voted highly.

Read this.

Top Rated Squads
These squads are squads that have achieved a high average rating and obtained a lot of votes. Some of these may be outdated now, but they were good enough at their time to be the top squads. Some of them are still just as strong now as they were when they were created

It doesnt say anything about it being the best squad of all time. It says the most highly rated squad of all time. This is for squads that achieved a high average rating. So peoples opinions are always gonna varey, but thats the def. for the top 10 squads of all time. So take that into account when you vote.


What it ultimately comes down to is a level of concern. I bet at least 51% of this community (probably more) would vote yes to this poll. Which means people will still continue to vote on it.

As Po1 just said, it isn't that pressing in the long run, if your squad is bumped out of the ratings altogether by a higher rated squad you would probably object and post and try to get any 1s removed when there are just as many if not more in the other top 10.

You are pouring energy and time into something 99% of users on this don't pay attention to, and I bet you are a substantial minority in your opinion on it.

Ultimately a squad rating on some obscure site with an obscure game played by random people shouldn't bother one's psyche.
Celestia
Posted: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:35:32 AM
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The ONLY way to solve the rating problems would be to display, in the Rating Detail section of each squad, the name of the raters in each scoring category. Really. So we could quickly perceive who are the few bandits and moderators would do their job...
Jedi76
Posted: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:57:43 AM
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Celestia wrote:
The ONLY way to solve the rating problems would be to display, in the Rating Detail section of each squad, the name of the raters in each scoring category. Really. So we could quickly perceive who are the few bandits and moderators would do their job...

I think moderators can see who rates and how much. If not, they should!
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