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last night I got shot at (a lot) from Luke Hero of Yavin.
my guy had evade.
on luke's card Flurry attack says if this character "scores" a critcal hit he can make another attack
we were wondering, if luke rolls a crit and my guy evades, does flurry happen?
Basically does "scores" mean he rolls a crit or my guy takes damage.
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Evade only negates the damage, it does not change the fact that the attack hit or, the key in this situation, that a critical hit was rolled.
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Sithborg wrote:Evade only negates the damage, it does not change the fact that the attack hit or, the key in this situation, that a critical hit was rolled. Man i had no idea it worked like that, you know how many times i could of got my Flurry attack off lol because i thought if evaded the attack is just negated. Great to know that now.. thanx
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I'd also like to add if he rolls crit's against driods it still works even though they ignore critical' s. cause he scored one oh yeah and don t forget about the twin on that flurry. 
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i like my flurry with peanut butter cups.
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LordLoudog wrote:I'd also like to add if he rolls crit's against driods it still works even though they ignore critical' s. cause he scored one oh yeah and don t forget about the twin on that flurry. Yea i know that when you roll a crit its an automatic hit, except w/ droids, the Droid Special Ability only prevents the extra damage, it is still a Crit & considered an auto hit..
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Just watch out for Durge, JH. His Resilience does in fact negate critical hits. So you won't be able to use Flurry attack against him (a ruling I kind of disagree on, but that's how it goes).
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Jester007
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Actually, due to the glossary defination of Flurry, that states that it happens on a crit OR roll of a 20, you can still flurry on Durge with a 20.
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According to the glossary though a natural 20 is considered a 'critical hit'...so I would think that Durges SA 'Resilient' would still negate the 'critical hit'...the 20 hits...but it is not considered a critial hit due to Durges SA Quote:critical hit
A hit that strikes a vital area and deals extra damage. Critical hits occur when the attacker rolls a natural 20 on the attack roll (when the d20 comes up 20). A character who scores a critical hit deals double its normal damage. If a character can somehow score a critical hit on a roll of less than 20, that critical hit also counts as an automatic hit.
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There is a slight difference between a 20 and a crit. See Disentegration. Again, the full defination means flurry triggers on a crit or a 20.
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Resilient: This character is immune to critical hits. A roll of natural 20 is still an automatic hit against it. Flurry Attack: When this character scores a critical hit ( or makes an attack roll of natural 20, if the target is unaffected by critical hits), it may make one immediate extra attack, in addition to the other effects of a critical hit. It may make an extra attack each time it scores a critical hit, even as the result of this extra attack. The extra attack doesn't have to be against the same target if another legal target is available. I believe the updated Flurry def explains the interaction with Resilient quite well... (see bolded text) 
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No differnce between a 20 and a Critical hit...it's clearly defined in the glossary...a natural 20 counts a critial hit...and resilient is immune to critial hits...so it's clearly PP wording on who ever wrote up the rules on what a critical hit is.
The problem lies in the wording of what a critial hit is...
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Wow, the games i probably could have won knowing that.
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Oh man, imagine if you could give General Windu Flurry and GMA. Shatterpoint would be so warm fuzzy wonderful.
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Sithborg wrote:Actually, due to the glossary defination of Flurry, that states that it happens on a crit OR roll of a 20, you can still flurry on Durge with a 20. Then why did NickName rule that Resilience actually negates the critical hit? I asked him a question on the interaction with the Chargarian Commander's CE working against Durge. The response I got was that the CE works against droids because they are immune to the doubling damage of a critical hit (so that doesn't stop the Chargarian Commander's CE from comming into effect). But then NN said that the CE would not work against Durge, Jedi Hunter because the SA Resilience "negates" critical hits. So, under such thought process, why would you get Flurry against Durge, JH? Sincerely, Jester007
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Because Flurry doesn't only trigger on critical hits; It also triggers on a roll of a Natural 20.
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imyurhukaberry wrote:
Flurry Attack:
When this character scores a critical hit (or makes an attack roll of natural 20, if the target is unaffected by critical hits), it may make one immediate extra attack, in addition to the other effects of a critical hit.
In this sentence, it says that when an attack roll of a natural 20 against targets unaffected by critical hits. Resilience doesn't make the character unaffected by critical hits, it NEGATES the critical hit (as if it is just a normal hit). Doesn't matter if you roll a natural 20 or not. http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75862/19455706/Rules_Issues_Hot_ListSincerely, Jester007
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The Chargarian Commander's CE works only on a critical hit. With Flurry a 20 is still going to trigger Flurry simply because it is a 20. It doesn't have to be a critical hit to trigger flurry.
If Luke rolled a 19 I would think Flurry won't work on Durge because of Resilience.
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juice man wrote:The Chargarian Commander's CE works only on a critical hit. With Flurry a 20 is still going to trigger Flurry simply because it is a 20. It doesn't have to be a critical hit to trigger flurry.
If Luke rolled a 19 I would think Flurry won't work on Durge because of Resilience. Exactly. If Flurry only triggered on Critical Hits, then Resilience would negate it (as it does against a 19 and Deadly Attack). Resilience still does not negate the face a 20 was rolled, which is key for Disentegration and the FULL defination of Flurry.
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