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billiv15
Posted: Thursday, December 2, 2010 4:48:32 AM
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Here's a very unique and fun character for the NR. He has both melee and non-melee attack options, which both work with cunning. He can double cunning melee, or twin cunning non-melee. He has an interesting side effect that he can give himself force immunity when he needs it. For the cost, he's an excellent companion to any NR squad.

Cordova
Posted: Thursday, December 2, 2010 5:04:03 AM
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Sweet looking piece.

I'll have fun with him, and Force Withdrawal is nice vs. Rebel push etc.

Stealth is always handy too :)

EDIT: And a nice use for my Luke, Jedi mini :D
Jester007
Posted: Thursday, December 2, 2010 5:08:57 AM
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Nice little addition to the NR family. Look forward to seeing him in action. Kind of a cheaper version of Mara Jade, Jedi when I read his abilities.

Sincerely,
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FlyingArrow
Posted: Thursday, December 2, 2010 5:10:02 AM
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I was expecting Jax or Dass as a RM so he'd have both a lightsaber and a blaster. Nice mini.
FlyingArrow
Posted: Thursday, December 2, 2010 5:14:58 AM
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He looks like a worthy competitor for the mid-range attacker. Seems like a better option than Cade Padawan, and the melee/non-melee option gives flexibility to get around evade/Deflect/Parry/LS Block as needed.

Looks like he'd for the most part be a shooter unless he was based. +12 for up to 40dmg while keeping your distance (possibly with Evade from Wedge) sounds a lot better than +10 for 30 and having to get close.
LoboStele
Posted: Thursday, December 2, 2010 6:22:10 AM
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He's kind of exactly what I like to see in a mid-range piece: versatility. He won't fit perfect in every squad, but he's a much better option for a 20'ish point cost character than say Lando or Han Smuggler or other Fringe options. Force Withdrawal can be pretty awesome against the right squads, like shooting a big target with Twin Blaster 10 and being able to deny them the chance to Deflect/Reflect it or re-roll their Evades!

Combined with Wedge for Mobile and his own Evade, he's a VERY nice piece.

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Kind of a cheaper version of Mara Jade, Jedi when I read his abilities.


I'm not sure if you meant it this way or not, but just to be clear, you cannot combine Double Attack with Twin Blaster 10 for 4 attacks total, because Twin Blaster 10 replaces your attacks completely. Just wanted to make sure that was clear.
Kamikaze13
Posted: Thursday, December 2, 2010 6:46:23 AM
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YES!! More NR.Woot ThumbsUp
cicrush13
Posted: Thursday, December 2, 2010 6:56:29 AM
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Sweet ability...kinda looks familiar!
Weeks
Posted: Thursday, December 2, 2010 6:58:31 AM
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Very Good mini here. He is a little more survivable and versitile then Anakin Solo. the +12 shooting for 40 damage is pretty sweet. Withdrawal is situational at best but really awesome when you need it, example like shooting GOWK and not letting him reroll, or basing a figure with deflect and still twin shooting them.
sharron
Posted: Thursday, December 2, 2010 8:07:22 AM
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can you use the czerka to get 4 attacks with twin blaster since it says 2 attacks...?
Weeks
Posted: Thursday, December 2, 2010 8:09:12 AM
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sharron wrote:
can you use the czerka to get 4 attacks with twin blaster since it says 2 attacks...?


I wouldnt think so, czerka reads "base 10 damage" Ben's base damage is 20
Sithborg
Posted: Thursday, December 2, 2010 9:35:02 AM
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Pretty certain it is not supposed to. But I need to double check the Czerka/Geoharadan to see which reasoning it would be.
Weeks
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Sithborg wrote:
Pretty certain it is not supposed to. But I need to double check the Czerka/Geoharadan to see which reasoning it would be.


Well the poison blade says "this counts as a melee attack" Im pretty sure thats why the czerka doesnt work on that.
Mandelmauler
Posted: Thursday, December 2, 2010 10:33:08 AM
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Weeks wrote:
sharron wrote:
can you use the czerka to get 4 attacks with twin blaster since it says 2 attacks...?


I wouldnt think so, czerka reads "base 10 damage" Ben's base damage is 20


But his base damage for Blaster is 10, so that appears valid.

But the SA is called "Twin Blaster". The "twin" part is built-in (compare the wording of Blaster and Twin Blaster). I would not think that Twin would stack with Twin Blaster.
Jester007
Posted: Thursday, December 2, 2010 10:36:37 AM
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LoboStele wrote:

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Kind of a cheaper version of Mara Jade, Jedi when I read his abilities.


I'm not sure if you meant it this way or not, but just to be clear, you cannot combine Double Attack with Twin Blaster 10 for 4 attacks total, because Twin Blaster 10 replaces your attacks completely. Just wanted to make sure that was clear.


I knew that he couldn't combine Twin Blaster with his normal attack(s). It just when I looked at him, I saw someone with Stealth and Cunning Attack and Twin (sort of). He may not have the +16 for 20 damage that Mara does from a distance, but I'll certainly take a +12 for 20 for only 22 points any day. Especially on a mini with his stat line and abilites.

I do imagine, however, that the Twin Blaster attacks will be FAQed to be non-melee attacks like Greivous DAC's Blaster SA.

Sincerely,
Jester007
Weeks
Posted: Thursday, December 2, 2010 10:39:00 AM
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Mandelmauler wrote:
Weeks wrote:
sharron wrote:
can you use the czerka to get 4 attacks with twin blaster since it says 2 attacks...?


I wouldnt think so, czerka reads "base 10 damage" Ben's base damage is 20


But his base damage for Blaster is 10, so that appears valid.

But the SA is called "Twin Blaster". The "twin" part is built-in (compare the wording of Blaster and Twin Blaster). I would not think that Twin would stack with Twin Blaster.


It's worded like twin.
Jester007
Posted: Thursday, December 2, 2010 10:42:28 AM
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Mandelmauler wrote:
But the SA is called "Twin Blaster". The "twin" part is built-in (compare the wording of Blaster and Twin Blaster). I would not think that Twin would stack with Twin Blaster.


But they are two different named abilities. Look at Zanye Carrick. If you give him Mettle, both that AND his Karmic Mettle would stack because they are two differently named SAs. The V-Set designers are still going to have to FAQ the interaction between the Czerka and Twin Blaster just to have something set in stone.

Sincerely,
Jester007
Sithborg
Posted: Thursday, December 2, 2010 10:43:24 AM
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No, no it is not.
FlyingArrow
Posted: Thursday, December 2, 2010 11:27:27 AM
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Jester007 wrote:


I do imagine, however, that the Twin Blaster attacks will be FAQed to be non-melee attacks like Greivous DAC's Blaster SA.

Sincerely,
Jester007


I would think it would be in the glossary. I haven't seen it, but I'd imagine the Twin Blaster attack's glossary entry says something like this...

Twin Blaster: This character may make two non-melee attacks against the same target with the specified attack and damage rating. The specified ratings are considered this character's printed ratings for the purpose of the attacks, and the attacks may not be stacked with Twin Attack.

That's just my guess, though.

Without a glossary or FAQ clarifying those points to what seems to be the natural interpretation, the rules would appear to say that Twin Blaster
(a) is a melee attack from a distance, and
(b) would stack with the Czerka.

But (a) would be weird since you'd think Twin Blaster would work just like Blaster and be a non-melee attack so I assume the glossary/FAQ will clarify it.

As for (b), since Twin Blaster seems to have Twin built in, it seems like it shouldn't stack with Twin Attack. But as mentioned, these are different named abilities. While I expect the glossary/FAQ to say they can't stack it looks like they would stack if it's not prohibited.

Someone suggested that Twin Blaster wouldn't work with the Czerka because Ben's base damage is 20, but if that's the case then his Twin Blaster attacks are actually not base 10 damage... they're base 20 damage with a -10 penalty. So a critical hit on Twin Blaster would be 20*2 - 10 = 30 damage instead of 20 damage. I'm pretty sure that's not the way it works.
Jester007
Posted: Thursday, December 2, 2010 11:32:10 AM
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FlyingArrow wrote:
I would think it would be in the glossary.


That's just it though. It's a brand new ability and is not in the Glossary right now. If they make the Twin Blaster SA a non-melee attack, then the Czerka's SA will allow Ben to make 4 attacks against the same target (barring any specific restrictions placed on Twin Blaster that is).

I do agree with your further statements though; which is why I think there will be a more conclusive ruling on this SA.

Sincerely,
Jester007
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