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adamb0nd
Posted: Saturday, May 14, 2011 10:21:15 AM
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Can some one please explain or help me find an explanation of the ' lawn mower"exploit? It's sound sort of rule that I think deals with extra movement and burst effects
Bombad
Posted: Saturday, May 14, 2011 10:25:23 AM
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As far as I can REMEMBER, its using a character that has Lightsaber sweep, and mixing it with Leia RHs CE. The result is, after you've defeated an enemy, you move, sweep again, defeat, move, sweep again...mate feed kill repeat.
Bombad
Posted: Saturday, May 14, 2011 10:27:06 AM
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Its been awhile for me, so I actually wouldn't mind getting that info confirmed. Excellent question BTW Bond, You just took me back.....
Azman
Posted: Saturday, May 14, 2011 10:32:45 AM
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If lightsaber sweep is a force power... can you do it multiple times without master of the force ?

Yoto_Yoto
Posted: Saturday, May 14, 2011 11:17:52 AM
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Is has to do with the timing of when you check to see if someone is within range of a burst. You check range, kill someone, move, then check range and kill someone further away. If you're going to use it in a squad, I'd suggest you explain the rule to your opponent before the game starts so there isn't a nasty surprise when its sprung on them.

Here's the FAQ explanation:

Q: If Jacen Solo uses Unleash the Force within 6 of Princess Leia, Rebel Hero can he then move 2 and potentially affect more characters that were not within 6 of his original position?

A: Yes. The Simultaneous Effects rule is used. You resolve characters one at a time in any order you choose. If the damage results in a Defeat you may move Jacen. You then may resolve damage against another character that is within 6 of Jacen's new position, and again, if that damage results in a Defeat you may move Jacen (assuming he hasn't moved too far from Leia already). Continue resolving the effect against characters until there are no unaffected characters within 6 of Jacen's current position. You can't affect any character more than once, and some characters that were within range of Jacen at a particular point may never end up getting affected at all due to the movement.
creme_brule
Posted: Saturday, May 14, 2011 11:25:06 AM
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WOW! That makes Leia RH very usable!...I assume the same thing works for Furious Assault/Blaster Barrage?
Sithborg
Posted: Saturday, May 14, 2011 12:19:25 PM
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creme_brule wrote:
WOW! That makes Leia RH very usable!...I assume the same thing works for Furious Assault/Blaster Barrage?


No, as you determine all your targets at once. It is possible to lose targets with those powers, but not lose. This is covered in the FAQ.
adamb0nd
Posted: Saturday, May 14, 2011 1:37:54 PM
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Sithborg wrote:
creme_brule wrote:
WOW! That makes Leia RH very usable!...I assume the same thing works for Furious Assault/Blaster Barrage?


No, as you determine all your targets at once. It is possible to lose targets with those powers, but not lose. This is covered in the FAQ.


Sorry sith, can you clarify/expand upon what you just said?
EmporerDragon
Posted: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:12:09 PM
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Basically, the core difference is that with Furious Assault and Blaster Barrage, you determine all your legal targets then attack them all, while with Lightsaber Sweep and Unleash the Force, the ability keeps going until the end conditions are met (all characters within range are affected).
Ruhk
Posted: Saturday, May 14, 2011 2:16:44 PM
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With Furious Assault or BB, you first determine all legal targets for your attacks.
Combining Leia's CE, if you were to move 2 squares into a space that made a previously legal target, illegal (ie, now is getting cover from something) then you can no longer attack that target as a part of the FA or BB. Moving does not create new targets, as they are all assigned at once, and only at the 'beginning' of using the ability.

Repulse or UtF or Lightsaber Sweep lets the controlling player choose which targets are hit in what order, so as you move under the Leia RH commander effect, more legal targets may come into play.

@Azman
The key wording of LS Sweep is 'replaces attacks' .. note the plural. you give up all your attacks to use it. Even with MotF 10, you only can give up all your attacks once in a turn.
adamb0nd
Posted: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:09:46 PM
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I don't understand why they don't work, if battering assault and great cleave can create the desired effect. What is the difference in the ruling and logic? I'm not saying your wrong, i'm just saying I don't know why you're right. Or am i wrong in believing ba + gc doesn't allow you to pick targets, attack targets, move, reassign targets adding additional new legal targets and continue attacking?
Sithborg
Posted: Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:18:31 PM
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"All legal targets" vs "all adjacent enemies/all characters within 6"

The Resolving Effects section of the FAQ will likely help you with this.
Lobotnik
Posted: Saturday, May 14, 2011 6:44:44 PM
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Ok, so when unleashing the force can you choose all the big boys first to kill as many as possible and then start the lawn mower effect or does the opponent choose who is effected first?
swinefeld
Posted: Saturday, May 14, 2011 11:08:44 PM
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Lobotnik wrote:
Ok, so when unleashing the force can you choose all the big boys first to kill as many as possible and then start the lawn mower effect or does the opponent choose who is effected first?


The acting player chooses, not the opponent.
creme_brule
Posted: Sunday, May 15, 2011 1:19:55 AM
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So does this also work for Repulse; or only UTF?
Lobotnik
Posted: Sunday, May 15, 2011 4:14:06 AM
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swinefeld wrote:
Lobotnik wrote:
Ok, so when unleashing the force can you choose all the big boys first to kill as many as possible and then start the lawn mower effect or does the opponent choose who is effected first?


The acting player chooses, not the opponent.


Cheers, I thought so. I shall have to try this out sometime, especially if the opponent chooses then even the mouse droids to extend the CE might just survive lol. Now, I just have to find an innocent victim to try this on...
adamb0nd
Posted: Sunday, May 15, 2011 6:46:42 AM
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I just read the FAQ for resolving effects and the sequences within an attack. i understand why BB and FA don't work for lawn mower, and why repulse and UTF60 do work. What i cant figure out is why you can attack new targets after resolving great cleave. I cant figure out what allows you to assign the new targets after moving, if you cant do it with leah's CE.
Bombad
Posted: Sunday, May 15, 2011 7:41:26 AM
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Like I said, excellent question BondThumpUp
Sithborg
Posted: Sunday, May 15, 2011 9:06:01 AM
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adamb0nd wrote:
I just read the FAQ for resolving effects and the sequences within an attack. i understand why BB and FA don't work for lawn mower, and why repulse and UTF60 do work. What i cant figure out is why you can attack new targets after resolving great cleave. I cant figure out what allows you to assign the new targets after moving, if you cant do it with leah's CE.


Honestly, I see enough of a valid arguement to change my mind. I pretty much went with the Sweep precedent, which is not 100% compatable. I will have to think about it and discuss it.
Bombad
Posted: Monday, May 16, 2011 4:12:42 AM
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I thought it was because it didn't follow the normal targeting restriction, like UTF60 and LS Sweep.
Im not sure about great cleave (never heard of it), but as far as cleave goes, I thought it was only once per turn for said character, where as Leia's CE is boundless. Like I said previously, its been a while.BlooMilk
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