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TheHutts
Posted: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:45:03 PM
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Huge is a big limitation though - I can't see it working for deep strikes. Flight is helpful, but the other player can probably just use some Mouse Droids/Camaasi to block potential landing spots. I think Revan is going to be a better beat stick transport most of the time (and it is possible, though expensive) to get him Force Leap.

I think it will have uses though - it brings a few different useful things to the table.
TheHutts
Posted: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 4:28:51 PM
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I had no idea who any of the Yuuzhan Vong characters were, so I looked them up on Wookiepedia - I had no idea that Yu'shaa was another name for Nom Anor. A few of them seem like quite obscure characters - there's very little on Sha'kel, Minos, or the Tso'asu in Wookiepedia, but I guess that makes sense since the Vong are relatively small in terms of Star Wars lore compared to most of the other factions. In case anyone else is interested:

Shamed One
Yuuzhan Vong who were a caste all of their own. The Shamed Ones were "imperfect" in some way, having failed in another caste, had their bodies reject implants, committed heresy, or were simply physically deformed. Though part of the worker caste, they were held in contempt even by those members. They were held to be rejected by the rest of the gods, and the only deity they could worship was Yun-Shuno. To be present at a ceremony of religious importance was held to be a great insult to the god in question.

Viqi Shesh
Viqi Shesh was a female Human politician from the Kuat system who attained galactic infamy due to her collaboration with the invading Yuuzhan Vong species during the Yuuzhan Vong War. Obsessed with power, Shesh rose to prominence as the representative of Kuat in the New Republic Senate. When the extragalactic Yuuzhan Vong invaded the New Republic in 25 ABY and inflicted heavy defeats upon the government and the military, Shesh soon decided that her best chances of survival lay with the winning side. Over a two year period, the Kuati senator passed vital information and military intelligence to Yuuzhan Vong spymasters with the intention of encouraging the invaders to spare Kuat and provide her with a position of power in their administration

Yun-Harla Fanatic
Yun-Harla, also known as the Trickster, was the Goddess of Deception of the Yuuzhan Vong. The deity was also often referred as the 'Cloaked One' or 'Cloaked Goddess'; it was she who oversaw escalations. She was known as the sister to Yun-Yammka, their God of War.

Yu'shaa
Yu'shaa was the name taken by Nom Anor when he disguised himself as the Prophet leader of the Jedi-worshiping Yuuzhan Vong heretics after being exiled from the intendant caste.

Yuuzhan Vong Seer
Seer was a rank of the Priest caste of the Yuuzhan Vong. A seer was one who took the auguries of the Gods, interpreted signs, and pronounced when the Yuuzhan Vong would be ready for a battle. Seers were often female and were often covered in black Yuuzhan Vong blood.

Zenoc Quah
Zenoc Quah was a male member of the Yuuzhan Vong shaper caste. He lived during the Yuuzhan Vong War and in the aftermath of the death of Supreme Overlord Shimrra Jamaane, surviving well into the Sith–Imperial War and the Second Imperial Civil War.

Commander Sha'kel
Commander Sha'kel was a Yuuzhan Vong warrior who commanded the slaveship Tsam P'ah. His rank was marked by his red armor and flesh extensions protruding from his upper jaw.

Eminence Harrar
Harrar was a Yuuzhan Vong of the Priest caste, often referred to as Eminence Harrar in accordance with his respected position. Worshiping the deception goddess Yun-Harla, Harrar was also a close advisor to Warmaster Tsavong Lah.

Minos, Yuuzhan Vong Warrior
Minos was a male Yuuzhan Vong warrior who served under commander Sha'kel. After the Battle of Artorias in 25 ABY he was stationed on the slaveship Tsam P'ah in orbit of the planet.

Shaper Adept
Shaper Adepts were members of the Shaper caste of the Yuuzhan Vong. Adepts would be often continue to work with their Masters after their escalation, until they themselves were escalated to Master Shaper.

Tso'asu
A tso'asu was a Yuuzhan Vong creature that crawled.
Gungan Batman Clone
Posted: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 4:54:22 PM
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I just finished reading the New Jedi Order series, so I am pretty familiar with most of the Vong. But there are a bunch of obscure ones from the Invasion series that I haven't read. Seeing as how Yun-Harla was the goddess of DECEPTION you would think the fanatics would have deceptive. It is weird that about 10 of the characters in this set I had just made before it was announced.
TheHutts
Posted: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 5:08:52 PM
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Gungan Batman Clone wrote:
Seeing as how Yun-Harla was the goddess of DECEPTION you would think the fanatics would have deceptive.


I don't know if Deceptive is all that deceptive - it's always seemed like a weird name to me. Yun-Harla Devotion seems like a tricksier SA to me.
TimmerB123
Posted: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:07:30 PM
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TheHutts wrote:
Gungan Batman Clone wrote:
Seeing as how Yun-Harla was the goddess of DECEPTION you would think the fanatics would have deceptive.


I don't know if Deceptive is all that deceptive - it's always seemed like a weird name to me. Yun-Harla Devotion seems like a tricksier SA to me.


I started the design of this character. It did not have Yun-Harla Devotion (as it ended up), and Brad challenged to make an SA that was more tricksey. I'm glad he did, because we came to a much more fun and devious SA as it is now.

I agree deceptive isn't that "deceptive". I've always thought devious was a better description of Yun-Harla - and this is more in that vein.
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I pretty much had an idea of who each of the vong pieces were except for Yu'shaa, (and of course the Tso'asu) I totally forgot about that! I'm really interested to see what he can do now, though I know he must boost shamed ones.
TimmerB123
Posted: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 8:20:33 PM
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adamb0nd wrote:

Also, kudos on defensive reflexes.


Thanks, glad you like it.

I'm very happy with this ability. It's not only anti-strafe, but also hurts GMA, galloping attack, twin, sweep, etc.

I really hope we see this ability again.
swinefeld
Posted: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 8:36:41 PM
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TimmerB123 wrote:
adamb0nd wrote:

Also, kudos on defensive reflexes.


Thanks, glad you like it.

I'm very happy with this ability. It's not only anti-strafe, but also hurts GMA, galloping attack, twin, sweep, etc.

I really hope we see this ability again.


Aw man, don't be hatin' on sweep! Razz
TimmerB123
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swinefeld wrote:
TimmerB123 wrote:
adamb0nd wrote:

Also, kudos on defensive reflexes.


Thanks, glad you like it.

I'm very happy with this ability. It's not only anti-strafe, but also hurts GMA, galloping attack, twin, sweep, etc.

I really hope we see this ability again.


Aw man, don't be hatin' on sweep! Razz


Lol, it really doesn't prevent you from doing anything but killing multiple of these guys. If there's only 1, you just attack it last.

So your precious LS sweep isn't effected too much. ;)
swinefeld
Posted: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 6:36:31 AM
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TimmerB123 wrote:
swinefeld wrote:
Aw man, don't be hatin' on sweep! Razz


Lol, it really doesn't prevent you from doing anything but killing multiple of these guys. If there's only 1, you just attack it last.

So your precious LS sweep isn't effected too much. ;)


I dare you to say that to a Wookiee Jedi. BigGrin
Mando
Posted: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:12:51 AM
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TimmerB123 wrote:
adamb0nd wrote:

Also, kudos on defensive reflexes.


Thanks, glad you like it.

I'm very happy with this ability. It's not only anti-strafe, but also hurts GMA, galloping attack, twin, sweep, etc.

I really hope we see this ability again.


Is Lightsaber sweep technically affected by the ability? My understanding of Lightsaber sweep is that it doesn't target, which is why it can kill Jar Jar Binks and his bombad gungan ability quite easily.
TheHutts
Posted: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:32:04 AM
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Mando wrote:
Is Lightsaber sweep technically affected by the ability? My understanding of Lightsaber sweep is that it doesn't target, which is why it can kill Jar Jar Binks and his bombad gungan ability quite easily.


Defensive Reflex just says when it takes damage, so I think Lightsaber Sweep would still be affected.
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Mando wrote:
TimmerB123 wrote:
adamb0nd wrote:

Also, kudos on defensive reflexes.


Thanks, glad you like it.

I'm very happy with this ability. It's not only anti-strafe, but also hurts GMA, galloping attack, twin, sweep, etc.

I really hope we see this ability again.


Is Lightsaber sweep technically affected by the ability? My understanding of Lightsaber sweep is that it doesn't target, which is why it can kill Jar Jar Binks and his bombad gungan ability quite easily.


Defensive Reflex (An adjacent enemy that damages this character takes 10 damage. That enemy cannot attack for the rest of that turn; save 16.)

You would need to attack the Tso'asu last or risk losing the rest of the sweep. In my example of the Wookiee Jedi (who has Twin/Sweep), any Splash damage to the Tso'asu would also trigger the ability, so it's a rather tough nut to crack in that case.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 11:45:10 AM
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TheHutts wrote:
I had no idea who any of the Yuuzhan Vong characters were, so I looked them up on Wookiepedia - I had no idea that Yu'shaa was another name for Nom Anor. A few of them seem like quite obscure characters - there's very little on Sha'kel, Minos, or the Tso'asu in Wookiepedia, but I guess that makes sense since the Vong are relatively small in terms of Star Wars lore compared to most of the other factions. In case anyone else is interested:

Shamed One
Yuuzhan Vong who were a caste all of their own. The Shamed Ones were "imperfect" in some way, having failed in another caste, had their bodies reject implants, committed heresy, or were simply physically deformed. Though part of the worker caste, they were held in contempt even by those members. They were held to be rejected by the rest of the gods, and the only deity they could worship was Yun-Shuno. To be present at a ceremony of religious importance was held to be a great insult to the god in question.

Viqi Shesh
Viqi Shesh was a female Human politician from the Kuat system who attained galactic infamy due to her collaboration with the invading Yuuzhan Vong species during the Yuuzhan Vong War. Obsessed with power, Shesh rose to prominence as the representative of Kuat in the New Republic Senate. When the extragalactic Yuuzhan Vong invaded the New Republic in 25 ABY and inflicted heavy defeats upon the government and the military, Shesh soon decided that her best chances of survival lay with the winning side. Over a two year period, the Kuati senator passed vital information and military intelligence to Yuuzhan Vong spymasters with the intention of encouraging the invaders to spare Kuat and provide her with a position of power in their administration

Yun-Harla Fanatic
Yun-Harla, also known as the Trickster, was the Goddess of Deception of the Yuuzhan Vong. The deity was also often referred as the 'Cloaked One' or 'Cloaked Goddess'; it was she who oversaw escalations. She was known as the sister to Yun-Yammka, their God of War.

Yu'shaa
Yu'shaa was the name taken by Nom Anor when he disguised himself as the Prophet leader of the Jedi-worshiping Yuuzhan Vong heretics after being exiled from the intendant caste.

Yuuzhan Vong Seer
Seer was a rank of the Priest caste of the Yuuzhan Vong. A seer was one who took the auguries of the Gods, interpreted signs, and pronounced when the Yuuzhan Vong would be ready for a battle. Seers were often female and were often covered in black Yuuzhan Vong blood.

Zenoc Quah
Zenoc Quah was a male member of the Yuuzhan Vong shaper caste. He lived during the Yuuzhan Vong War and in the aftermath of the death of Supreme Overlord Shimrra Jamaane, surviving well into the Sith–Imperial War and the Second Imperial Civil War.

Commander Sha'kel
Commander Sha'kel was a Yuuzhan Vong warrior who commanded the slaveship Tsam P'ah. His rank was marked by his red armor and flesh extensions protruding from his upper jaw.

Eminence Harrar
Harrar was a Yuuzhan Vong of the Priest caste, often referred to as Eminence Harrar in accordance with his respected position. Worshiping the deception goddess Yun-Harla, Harrar was also a close advisor to Warmaster Tsavong Lah.

Minos, Yuuzhan Vong Warrior
Minos was a male Yuuzhan Vong warrior who served under commander Sha'kel. After the Battle of Artorias in 25 ABY he was stationed on the slaveship Tsam P'ah in orbit of the planet.

Shaper Adept
Shaper Adepts were members of the Shaper caste of the Yuuzhan Vong. Adepts would be often continue to work with their Masters after their escalation, until they themselves were escalated to Master Shaper.

Tso'asu
A tso'asu was a Yuuzhan Vong creature that crawled.


I always thought we needed a Fringe or NR with Vong Affin, Yu'Shaa mini. Similar to Exar in that he sacrifices his squad. I know You have the nom bombs but a twist on it could be nice.
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No new spoilers today?Crying

oh well, I guess I was getting spoiled by getting some everyday the last couple of days.
TimmerB123
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CerousMutor wrote:

I always thought we needed a . . . mini Similar to Exar in that he sacrifices his squad. I know You have the nom bombs but a twist on it could be nice.


So you mean that a Vong character would actually sacrifice his allies to gain benefits for his squad? Maybe something like the Muun Tactics Broker, but called Sacrifice? Or perhaps "(insert YV God here) sacrifice".

That would be sweet.

Don't know if it's exactly right for Yu'shaa. He was a fake profit, only concerned with himself. I think this sacrifice ability might be perfect for some kind of high priest.

Hmmmm
TimmerB123
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Deathwielded wrote:
No new spoilers today?Crying

oh well, I guess I was getting spoiled by getting some everyday the last couple of days.


The day is not over
Deathwielded
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TimmerB123 wrote:
CerousMutor wrote:

I always thought we needed a . . . mini Similar to Exar in that he sacrifices his squad. I know You have the nom bombs but a twist on it could be nice.


So you mean that a Vong character would actually sacrifice his allies to gain benefits for his squad? Maybe something like the Muun Tactics Broker, but called Sacrifice? Or perhaps "(insert YV God here) sacrifice".

That would be sweet.

Don't know if it's exactly right for Yu'shaa. He was a fake profit, only concerned with himself. I think this sacrifice ability might be perfect for some kind of high priest.

Hmmmm


Yeah especially since the Yuuzhan Vong now have so many low costing pieces, you wouldn't have much of a problem finding good sacrifices.
I would need to be worth it.
Maybe something like:
Yun-Yammka Sacrifice usable only during this characters turn, you may choose 1 other character in your squad. Remove that character from play; that character is defeated. All Yuuzhan Vong allies get +10 damage for the rest of the round.
TimmerB123
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Deathwielded wrote:
TimmerB123 wrote:
CerousMutor wrote:

I always thought we needed a . . . mini Similar to Exar in that he sacrifices his squad. I know You have the nom bombs but a twist on it could be nice.


So you mean that a Vong character would actually sacrifice his allies to gain benefits for his squad? Maybe something like the Muun Tactics Broker, but called Sacrifice? Or perhaps "(insert YV God here) sacrifice".

That would be sweet.

Don't know if it's exactly right for Yu'shaa. He was a fake profit, only concerned with himself. I think this sacrifice ability might be perfect for some kind of high priest.

Hmmmm


Yeah especially since the Yuuzhan Vong now have so many low costing pieces, you wouldn't have much of a problem finding good sacrifices.
I would need to be worth it.
Maybe something like:
Yun-Yammka Sacrifice usable only during this characters turn, you may choose 1 other character in your squad. Remove that character from play; that character is defeated. All Yuuzhan Vong allies get +10 damage for the rest of the round.


Except you couldn't sacrifice shamed ones, that would insult the gods. Also don't know if Vong need another damage boost - I think attack boost would be better.

Also - it would work better if they didn't have to activate to use it. So more like the MTB, only optional.

Yun-Yammka Sacrifice After initiative is determined, you may choose 1 other Yuuzhan Vong ally without the Shamed One ability. Remove that character from play; that character is defeated. All Yuuzhan Vong allies get +4 attack for the rest of the round.

I really do like this.

What would it be for the other gods?

What would Yun-Harla's be (The trickster goddess)?
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TimmerB123 wrote:
Deathwielded wrote:
TimmerB123 wrote:
CerousMutor wrote:

I always thought we needed a . . . mini Similar to Exar in that he sacrifices his squad. I know You have the nom bombs but a twist on it could be nice.


So you mean that a Vong character would actually sacrifice his allies to gain benefits for his squad? Maybe something like the Muun Tactics Broker, but called Sacrifice? Or perhaps "(insert YV God here) sacrifice".

That would be sweet.

Don't know if it's exactly right for Yu'shaa. He was a fake profit, only concerned with himself. I think this sacrifice ability might be perfect for some kind of high priest.

Hmmmm


Yeah especially since the Yuuzhan Vong now have so many low costing pieces, you wouldn't have much of a problem finding good sacrifices.
I would need to be worth it.
Maybe something like:
Yun-Yammka Sacrifice usable only during this characters turn, you may choose 1 other character in your squad. Remove that character from play; that character is defeated. All Yuuzhan Vong allies get +10 damage for the rest of the round.


Except you couldn't sacrifice shamed ones, that would insult the gods. Also don't know if Vong need another damage boost - I think attack boost would be better.

Also - it would work better if they didn't have to activate to use it. So more like the MTB, only optional.

Yun-Yammka Sacrifice After initiative is determined, you may choose 1 other Yuuzhan Vong ally without the Shamed One ability. Remove that character from play; that character is defeated. All Yuuzhan Vong allies get +4 attack for the rest of the round.

I really do like this.

What would it be for the other gods?

What would Yun-Harla's be (The trickster goddess)?



I'd have it more like this...

Yun-Yammka Sacrifice After initiative is determined, you may choose 1 non-Yuuzhan Vong ally. Remove that character from play; that character is defeated. All Yuuzhan Vong allies get +4 attack for the rest of the round

In danger of derailing the thread here but have a look at some of my Vong customs on the Custom Character board.
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