I am just hoping a piece like this comes out for the separatists, those commando droids could use shields and rapport 5 to make them not junk. Plus they even used ray shields in the citadel episodes.

Banning is a bad idea, and there probably won't ever be another banned piece in SWM. GOWK is the only figure who ever has been banned, and after the SSM change there is currently no banned figure in the game, and I am glad for that (and know that opinion is shared). Banning a figure because it's too good doesn't do anything; something else rises to the top. The only time a figure should ever be banned is if the game gets to the point that to be competitive you HAVE to either play that piece or a whole squad to counter that one piece, like with GOWK. Clearly Lancer Droids, Thrawn, Dodonna, and Rieekan inherently don't fit that description, because they're from 3 different factions. You can play Lancer OR Thrawn OR Dodonna/Rieekan (plus lots of other options). That's a healthy game.

You really think "Allies gain Ambush" is too strong? And what "already good" characters did Atris boost without boosting the not-so-good characters? Echani Handmaidens? Are you really making the argument that Handmaidens were "already good"? Take a look at high level tournament results for the past couple of years, as well as recent events. Has Revanchist won anything because he's so overpowered? Were Handmaidens good before and now awesome? No to both.

Sorry, but I don't see any part of your argument that really holds water. Maybe you should go into lengths regarding it, because I'm just not getting the brief version.

"And I wouldn't call the Echani an already good figure. "

I would, a character with 4 attacks that can easily have both attack value and damage boosted is certainly not a bad character.

Not that I have a problem with Atris in any way, but i cannot pretend the Echani was a good mini beforehand.

But going back to banning minis, there I have to agree with you for well all the reasons you put in your post.

I must echo the sentiments of the previous few posters. If you ban something, then something else just rises to the top and everyone wants the new thing banned and before you know it we all have squads of ewoks and gran raiders and we are just playing dice rolling with no strategy involved. For every really good piece/squad there is equally good way to counter it and defeat it.

For instance Lancer (my pet squad) has many bad matchups. Bombs (nom bombs, kel-dors, poggle bombs, etc) can give it major problems. Riposte, djem-so, etc all give it major problems as well. The squad cannot beat a GMLS squad (which I am glad no one plays). I have just been fortunate that the squads that beat it haven't been prevelent in the meta recently. You have to realize that some squads will always beat certain other squads no matter what (IE lancer always beats eric's droids except maybe not his new version) and that if your local meta has those problems then you may have to switch to a different squad that isn't an autoloss.


BTW Weeks override is not the answer to beating lancer. It just means I have to go the long way:)

i agree with everything that has been said above. With my group we dont ban any figures that are not banned already (which currently is none). we do have alot of house rules but we intentionally dont ban anything. Now we do have sort of a standing agreement in casual play games that we dont play certain pieces like rieekan, DOdanna, and others of their caliber. If we are playing competitive matches than anything goes, but for casual we try to keep it fun. I have played before where alot of pieces were banned and it makes the game more strict and less fun. Actually Not banning figures without great reasoning is one of the reasons i started playing star wars minis(that and my love for star wars). I previously played magic the gathering and a few other card games that slowly cycle out cards and sets . I like the fact that i can still play peices from rebel storm, clone strike and the other older sets. THey may not necessarily be competitive, but its still fun and nice to have the option.

Celeste Morne is def a figure on my watch list. She was absolutely amazing in the comics and this could make playing rakghouls much more fun

I loved her in the 4 legacy comics I read! I really hope shes good even with out rackghouls, because I have an astounding 0....

You have 0!?!? ... are you not counting the pink ones?

Some people definitely don't like it. Personally, I'm not a big fan of it but I understand why it happened. The designers have explained, it helps to make them viable against pieces like the Lancer and YoBuck. They only have 40 HP so they go down very easy against those 2, with Shields 2 it helps them last a little longer.

And do they really go for $20? When they first came out I scored about 5 of them on eBay for $6. I think I'm at a total of 8 or 10 Storm Commandos. And while they are awesome, do they really get much play? No, not really.

Well for one thing, the fact that Storm Commandos go for $20 (and you can definitely get them cheaper than that btw, but you're right that they are on the expensive side) isn't because they're good pieces; it's because they are a non-unique Rare from an older set. You know what else goes for $20? Stormtrooper on Repulsor Sled. Yeeeeeeah....

Secondly, do you really think that giving them Shields 2 makes them too good? Honestly, it just makes them playable, because they currently aren't. Bring a Storm Commando squad to a competitive tournament (like a Regional or GenCon) and you probably won't do very well. Weir will make them playable, but probably still isn't enough to make them top-tier.