Whoa you don't make any sense here billv15. Remember Rukh or Darth Bandon? The figures (well at least in second option) were exact presentation of the characters, and makers did use them. Why not do it again with the Mohc?
We have a figure who/which looks the same as Mohc in his armor so why not use him?
For those who fear or don't want to paint or customise the mini- no problem, don't do it, just place a piece of paper on it so that You and your contestor knew that your using v-set mini. Problem solved:)

For me it is just a waste- in my country getting CS Durge is nearly impossible (as much as I would like to get him nevertheless).

Cheers!

I would've prefered it to be the the Phase III as well. And that is what I will be using.

Incorrect, I am making complete sense, you just don't agree because you've conflated my opinion with that of other designers. I didn't choose Bandon or Ruhk's RMs. I supported the choice of another set of designers. Please keep that clear. In those two cases, I recognized that Ruhk, would almost never be played with other Noghris, and Bandon would seldom be played with the Sith Apprentice. Bandon and the SA would be the most commonly played, but then it was up to the player as to how to differentiate it.

The other difference, is that in those two cases, the NU was actually a model of the Unique figure. In this case, the Dark Troopers are armored figures, they were never intended to be a NU version of Rohm. The SA was most certainly a NU version of Bandon.

So while you might not agree, that doesn't mean I'm not making sense. I'm making complete sense in what I told you already. The concern for Mohc, which didn't apply in the same degree to Ruhk or Bandon, is that he has CEs for Dark Troopers. You will play him with other DTs. He had to have another mini for the RM (remember, RM means "RECOMMENDED MINI"), so that those who want to play him without customizing can do so with something they might have. For anyone who also falls into that camp, and doesn't have a Durge, geez, how freakin hard is it to find another large based mini to use.

BTW - sticking a piece of tape/clay/sticker, etc on a mini to denote that it's a V-set figure, is considered customizing. You are welcome to do anything like that, as long as its clear to your opponent and your Judge. I don't know how many times we have to reiterate and reexplain this simple concept. RM means "RECOMMENDED". Its there for specific people, not for everyone. If you choose to do something different, more freakin power to ya. I did as well, I repainted a DT dark blue and silver. But geez people, give us a break on this crap already. The RM is there for people who don't want to customize, if that doesn't apply to you, why the heck are you complaining about the choice????? I seriously don't understand.

[cough]There was only one Phase III armor used, by Mohc. So the Phase III was essentially taking the Unique seen in Dark Forces and making it into a non-unique. Trust me, it was argued about.[/cough]

But then again, it's the Dark Forces Saga to me, not the Jedi Knight saga.

Ok well I can't track who was in designers team, but I know that You are now, so that's why I spoke to You directly, but You know I meant the whole design team. Sorry if that offended You.


I don't see why Rukh couldn't be played in a squad with noghri commando. But it's just me, right? I mean i like them and I use them quite often.


Maybe the first two phazes, but phaze 3 certainly was. Rembember that in the same set (Universe) came Kyle Katarn, so I guess they knew what was the source material. For me DTP3 was certainly a NU version of Mohc.


Ok, You got me there. I don't know what Mohc's cost is but it most likely be a costly combo. DTP3 is a 25 point figure, well if you're playing Imps then you surely will use Mas and either Thrawn. Unless he has a CE which states that all dark troopers loose droid (OMG I would love that) and give them some bonus to attack or def, then I think that player using Mohc will be playing only 1 or 2 dt's with various phazes.
In contradiction, Darth Bandon also has CE, which doesn't stop us to play with SA. I just wrote that for the sake of the argument.

Come on! I know that RM means recommended mini! Geez well it is hard if the only large base mini you have is a bacta tank, sandtrooper on dewback or DT phaze 3. :)



As I stated before I know what RM stands for. So plz don't treat me like a retard.
I only started this discussion because for Mohc the obvious choice was Dark Trooper phaze 3. That's all. I don't know what the fuss is all about.
I didn't know that placing a paper on a mini is considered customizing. I thought about it as a way for plp who don't want painting and other stuff and just want to use the character v-set RM with the normal RM in their squad just to differentiate the minis to players and judges.

Big supporter of V-set's, so plz keep the spoilers comming!

Once again, I hope I haven't offended anyone.

The DT3 was the initial RM for Rohm, but it was pointed out that his design would lead you to perhaps want to include a DT3 in your squad. So the simplest solution would be to have another piece stand in for him. Durge fit the bill well enough was decided to be made the RM.

When I play Rohm, I will probably use a DT3 that has been marked in some manner.

I'd say that helps by a good bit. And, another Yammosk-proof CE.

Yes. Read the "name contains" rules if you need additional clarity.

I forgot to add yesterday, there is one critical piece of the Phase III that shows it wasn't intended to be Rohm (even if we all generally agree that it should/could have been). The NU has droid. Rohm was a human wearing phase III prototype armor, perhaps as much of a cyborg as Vader, but the SA "Droid" pretty well demonstrates they didn't intend it to be Rohm in the suit, but the actual Phase III production or prototype model.

Yes, this error was addressed during playtesting. It is an error with MM, the card reads "Dark Trooper"

I think all 3 of you should be proud of set 1, sure not every character chosen was to my liking but I think everyone would say the same and the ones not liked will change from member to member (but is this any differant from the WOTC's set ? not really), but on a hole I think the first set was a fantastic set.