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I've been working on this on Gamers since it was posted, and by sheer coincidence I had chosen Vua Rapuung, Shamed One as the character name. Weird. In any case, I'll share the following confirmed stats (only the stuff in bold is confirmed) to help the effort here. (Weeks just confirmed these a couple hours ago) hp 80def 19att 12dmg 20Apparently some other stuff I posted is correct, but exactly what is unknown. If you are curious, it's in the upcoming set spoilers section, so login required: http://www.swmgamers.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=15262I'm working him without a commander effect. I'm on the fence with that. I have Force Immunity, Affinity-Anakin, VCA 6. With those base stats, I doubt he would have Ritual Scarring.
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Wow! Props to the kid. We just got done tossing everything out, printing a list of every single special ability, and eliminating those that were impossible or highly unlikely. We figured with destabilize shields and immobilizing rend there was no way the word "yuuzhan vong" only showed up once on a card for a character like this. I guess I have to put down my beer and get back to work.
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Darthbane53 wrote:How the fudge do any of you figure out what this is?! Is there a sypher any where for it or something? I haven't participated with this one, but there are a few tricks to start. 1) Things like "Hit Points" and "Damage" can be pulled out, which also reduces the numbers a little. 2) The number of quotation marks (or, in this case, brackets) is usually a pretty solid indicator of how many special abilities/Force powers the character has (although that doesn't factor in abilities that aren't defined, and sometimes quotes show up in other areas, like the flavor text) 3) Upper case "U" and lower case "q" can help indicate if a character is "Unique." 4) A large number of upper case "F" often indicates a character with Force powers. Between that and a few other indicators, it's often fairly easy to get a general feel for how many times "Force" and "Sith" show up. 5) Upper case "U", lower case "q", and lower case "j" are key in determining if "Unique" and "adjacent" show up, which are, in turn, key in figuring out commander effect and limiting the Special Ability options. 6) Once some of these key things are out of the way, looking at upper-cased letters gives a very clear list of what special abilities and/or Force powers are POSSIBLE. There are often still dozens to consider, but between upper case letters, numbers, and key words like "adjacent," the list can get shorter pretty quickly. 7) If a few special abilities can be locked in, their descriptions will often take out a very large chunk of letters, which make the rest much easier to work with. Locking in a few special abilities also helps figure who who the character might be, if this hasn't already been determined. ***** I'm sure other people have other approaches, but that's how I usually start. By the time I work through these steps, there are usually other folk discovering things indepdently, and it just gets easier from there.
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Gwek pretty much nailed the process. (and he is pretty darn good at this stuff)
Besides U, q and j, I would add x and z to the letters that have a somewhat narrow usage.
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For what it's worth, here is my current incarnation. I'm basing it on the rationale that in his final battle he literally stood there while bodies piled up around him until he literally couldn't move. Double,vicious, and counterattack seem to support this idea best. He was a commander, so I thought about ambush for a while with a CE granting this (giving Anakin and others ambush?) or even granting double and ambush to YV workers (the shamed ones for whom he became a legend?).
Random thought - Maybe the name YV doesn't appear on the stats. Perhaps the z goes with the name Mezhan Kwaad to be included with flavor text? I can't figure another way to get rid of the capital 'K'. Adding Tahiri to Affinity might also use some more caps, but I'm not ready to pull the trigger.
Vua Rapuung 28
Hit Points 80 Defense 19 Attack 12 Damage 20
Special Abilities Unique Melee Attack; Double Attack
Affinity [May be in a squad with a character whose name contains Anakin Solo]
Counterattack [Whenever this character is hit by a melee attack, make a save of 11. On a success, this character can make an immediate attack against that attacker]
Force Immunity [Enemies cannot affect this character with Force powers, or spend Force points to reroll attacks against this character or to respond to this character's attacks and abilities]
Vicious Attack [Triple damage on a critical hit instead of double]
Vonduun Crab Armor 6 [When this character takes damage, it can reduce the damage dealt by 10 with a save of 6]
“(flavor text)”
AAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa bb (EDIT: Fixed caps to lowercase b) CCccc ddd Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Ffff Gggggggg hhhhhhhhhhhhhh iiiiiiiiiiiiiii Kk lllllllll MMmmm nnnnnnnnnnnnn OOoooooo pppp Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr SSSssssssss Tttttttttttttttt uuuuuu VVv Ww Yy z ...,
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Perhaps he has the Rival SA. That'll use the "z" for Mezhan Kwaad.
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Assuming DN is heading mostly in the right direction, we've still got a LOT of upper-case letters left--22, if I'm doing the math right! In terms of punctuation, there are 3 periods and a comma left.
A cap at the beginning of each sentence brings us down to 19. Assume that "Yuuzhan Vong" or "Mezhan Kwaad" appears in either the flavor text or a commander effect, we're down to 17.
I would say there's a very good chance there's a commander effect, which takes a "C" and "E" out of the equation. I could see the commander effect being one of those "X gain X and Z". I'm thinking maybe something like:
Commander Effect Yuuzhan Vong allies with Melee Attack gain (Counterattack and Vicious Attack) [except there aren't enough letters for everything)
In addition to "Mezkad Kwaad," I'm thinking the flavor text might also include "Anakin Solo and/or "Vua Rapuung." There has to be a way to use up all those upper case letters!
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well some of the caps would be in Hp Def Atk Dmg
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Yeah, I've been playing the same game. Assuming the other abilities I was using were right (and I'm not sure they are), I started pulling out proper names and likely words. All of the words and phrases below can be used with many leftovers still available. I started out trying to piece together some flavor text from Vua's bio, but haven't had much luck yet.
Commander Effect - Whenever an ally hits Once per turn each that has line of sight against reroll target
Vau Rapuung Master Shaper Mezhan Kwaad Shamed Ones Anakin Solo
AAa bb C eeeeeee F Gggg hhhh iiiiiii ll n p rrrr ss ttttt uu Y ...,
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I would be disappointing if he only has 80 HP and 20 damage, (From wookiee) He had immense physical strength, at one point spearing a warrior through the eyes with his fingers and lifting the dead warrior into the air by the sockets, and on another occasion hurling a shaper across a room with a single punch. Unarmed and unarmored, he killed Tolok Naap and five other warriors in eighty seconds; with an amphistaff, he was able to hold off an entire crowd of Yuuzhan Vong. Vua Rapuung also possessed a formidable constitution, which contributed towards his ability to fight even once he had sustained crippling wounds. he should have 30 base and at least 100 hp. This guy was a beast.
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Darthbane53 wrote:I would be disappointing if he only has 80 HP and 20 damage, (From wookiee) He had immense physical strength, at one point spearing a warrior through the eyes with his fingers and lifting the dead warrior into the air by the sockets, and on another occasion hurling a shaper across a room with a single punch. Unarmed and unarmored, he killed Tolok Naap and five other warriors in eighty seconds; with an amphistaff, he was able to hold off an entire crowd of Yuuzhan Vong. Vua Rapuung also possessed a formidable constitution, which contributed towards his ability to fight even once he had sustained crippling wounds. he should have 30 base and at least 100 hp. This guy was a beast. Jedi slice people in half.,yet they only have 20 damage. And only 1 I can think of has Crab Armor 6. Maybe he just rolled high on his Bull Rush checks....
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Darthbane53 wrote:I would be disappointing if he only has 80 HP and 20 damage, (From wookiee) He had immense physical strength, at one point spearing a warrior through the eyes with his fingers and lifting the dead warrior into the air by the sockets, and on another occasion hurling a shaper across a room with a single punch. Unarmed and unarmored, he killed Tolok Naap and five other warriors in eighty seconds; with an amphistaff, he was able to hold off an entire crowd of Yuuzhan Vong. Vua Rapuung also possessed a formidable constitution, which contributed towards his ability to fight even once he had sustained crippling wounds. he should have 30 base and at least 100 hp. This guy was a beast. All very true and honorable...but the fact is wizards started us off at 10d...so it is what it is. From what it seems so far, he looks tough enough. ...now if Tsalok gets created...then perhaps you're on to something.
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I think your underestimating what melee damage of 30 means, and the significance it carries. Wookies are a species of immense strength. The only Wookiee with a base damage of 30 is Enraged Chewie, and there are a few Wookiee non-Uniques with a base damage of 10.
There are now over 1000 different minis (not counting reprints/doubles). Of those, there are only about a dozen with base damage of 30 and Melee Attack (my assumption is that anyone with a base damage of 30 WITHOUT melee attack is not necessarily strong so much as well-equiped).
Of the 11 minis, 5 are large, 2 are Epic, leaving only 4 "normal" pieces with base 30 damage and Melee Attack (2 of which cost 50+). 4 out of 1004 is pretty rare, so clearly this level of strength/power is not handed out casually, and represents a VERY elite tier of physical power.
If 20 damage is good enough for most Wookiees, it's good enough for pretty much any one. :)
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I think he is looking pretty good, especially with Greater Mobile Attack.
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gwek wrote:I think your underestimating what melee damage of 30 means, and the significance it carries. Wookies are a species of immense strength. The only Wookiee with a base damage of 30 is Enraged Chewie, and there are a few Wookiee non-Uniques with a base damage of 10.
There are now over 1000 different minis (not counting reprints/doubles). Of those, there are only about a dozen with base damage of 30 and Melee Attack (my assumption is that anyone with a base damage of 30 WITHOUT melee attack is not necessarily strong so much as well-equiped).
Of the 11 minis, 5 are large, 2 are Epic, leaving only 4 "normal" pieces with base 30 damage and Melee Attack (2 of which cost 50+). 4 out of 1004 is pretty rare, so clearly this level of strength/power is not handed out casually, and represents a VERY elite tier of physical power.
If 20 damage is good enough for most Wookiees, it's good enough for pretty much any one. :) Also recall that their aren't many vong pieces with more then 10 base damage. Shimra, yim, shaper, Tzulkang. Those are the only ones.
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The only Vong that have 20 base damage are ones that were specifcally altered to have more strength and combat ability by Shapers or are Shapers themselves. Slayers were created by Shapers, Shimra was enhanced by Shapers. Nen Yim was a master shaper. The Voxyn was also made by Shapers and it thus has 20 base dmg as well.
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