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Another vote for Knights of the Old Republic. They did an amazing job of planning it out, and watching the story unfold and seeing what some forshadowing actually meant was a real treat. The last arc dragged a bit when I first read it, but I find that arc works best if you don't have a long wait between issues.
I loved Legacy, but it took longer to find its footing than KOTOR did. I love the concepts and there are some very good characters. The main character can be very unlikable, but the dross was worth wading through. The ending was rushed, as they were cancelled and given limited time to wrap things up, but overall it was a very satisfying read.
Tales of the Jedi had some great stuff, but iffy art in a few places. One plot point was rushed and doesn't quite work, but overall a very good read.
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gwek wrote:I've been reading Star Wars comics since 1977 and the best run, hands down, is Knights of the Old Republic. For my money, Miller may be not only the best Star Wars comic writer but Star Wars writer in any non-movie format. In KotOR, Miller combines characterization as rich as that of the Original Trilogy with a background tapestry as rich as that of the Prequel Trilogy. This guy knows his Star Wars.
Knight Errant (also by Miller) and the recent KotOR: War are good, but (so far) have not reached the height of KotOR.
Republic/Clone Wars/Dark Times is also excellent, although unlike KotOR, there are a few clunker issues (Still, one bad issue here and there in a 100+ issue run isn't bad!).
I really enjoyed both recent "agent" stories: Iron Eclipse (Agent of the Empire) and Lost Suns (Old Republic).
For a slightly more old school feel, consider the entire run of Marvel Comic's Star Wars, which--although dated--is surprisingly entertaining much of the time. That makes two of us qwek. I read and had almost all of the Marvel Star Wars Comics. It's just a darn shame that I don't still have them. I could kick myself. I was watching Comic Book Men on AMC and saw that a Spiderman issue I used to own now sells for $1,400.00 Oh ya, your "Image Comics does Star Wars." reference wasn't lost on me. ha ha :) Well it's really looking like I definitely need to grab the KoToR stuff first for sure. Eventually I'll read it all. I just was hoping to get a good starting point and going with the stuff people liked best. I can see that it'll be really hard choosing what I'll read after KoToR though. Thanks for all the replies everyone and please post again if you think of more. Oh yes, almost forgot. I had picked up a couple Legacy issues a while back and I kinda thought the same thing you did after reading them. I find it very disappointing that literally generations of heroes that I care about fought and died for THIS? However, there were some aspects I thought were pretty cool. I am enjoying reading through the Legacy RPG book.
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SquelchDog wrote:That makes two of us qwek. I read and had almost all of the Marvel Star Wars Comics. It's just a darn shame that I don't still have them. I could kick myself. I was watching Comic Book Men on AMC and saw that a Spiderman issue I used to own now sells for $1,400.00 Sadly, most of our comics aren't worth much these days unless they're in pristine condition, so don't kick yourself TOO hard. If you want the old Marvel stuff, they've been collected into omnibuses. I bought the a few years ago for a fairly reasonble price (less than 100 bucks for the entire run, if I'm remembering right). Quote:Well it's really looking like I definitely need to grab the KoToR stuff first for sure. Eventually I'll read it all. I just was hoping to get a good starting point and going with the stuff people liked best. I can see that it'll be really hard choosing what I'll read after KoToR though. One caveat with KotOR: as at least one person has pointed out, a few of them story arcs (including the first one) may seem to start a little slow. Miller is a master of the simmering build, though, and I often found that not only was very satisfied by the end of each arc, but I also wanted to go back immediately and re-read to appreciate the nuance. Without getting too spoilerific, in the first arc, Miller said that he intentionally modelled A New Hope, where you start with the droids, the droids lead to Luke, Luke leads to Kenobi, Kenobi leads to Han, etc. Obviously, this is something of a contrast to, say, Dawn of the Jedi or Legacy, where 10-15 important characters are introduced right off the bat, Youngblood-style. :) Quote:Oh yes, almost forgot. I had picked up a couple Legacy issues a while back and I kinda thought the same thing you did after reading them. I find it very disappointing that literally generations of heroes that I care about fought and died for THIS? However, there were some aspects I thought were pretty cool. I am enjoying reading through the Legacy RPG book. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Legacy is terrible. It's got a ton of interesting ideas, and many of them are well-executed. In particular, I was intrigued by the Imperial Knights and Gar Stazi. I guess it just makes me sad that this is (currently?) the end of the continuity line for the GFFA, and I wish it were less of a horrible place. It kinda makes me feel like all the other heroes wasted their time, and perhaps I've wasted mine following their adventures. In a larger (non-comic) sense, it will be interesting to see if the Fate of the Jedi arc leads to any continuity hiccups here.
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gwek wrote:DB, I definitely agree re: Crimson Empire. The first is the best. I think the characters remain interesting, but the situations--not so much.
I know a lot of folk love Legacy, but it wasn't for me. Too many characters, and too depressing a future for my tastes. Without getting too spoilery, I find it very disappointing that literally generations of heroes that I care about fought and died for THIS? Ugh. Still, it has a lot of interesting ideas and is usually very pretty. I think of it as "Image Comics does Star Wars." (Since Squelch and I are basically contemporaries, I suspect he'll get the reference, even if it's lost on some of you whippersnappers).
I agree completely with both of your comments. I thought the first Crimson Empire was well crafted and added to the EU. I just think the sequels are milking it, and I don't really like newer characters. As for Legacy, I never looked at the way you mention, but now that I think about it, it does make sense. Maybe part of the reason I didn't like it as much is because it is so......dreary. I did like the Imperial Knights though, and I thought the return of the Sith was an excellent idea (even if some of the actual characters verge on near silliness).
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I think part of the silliness with the Sith might be the escalation of things. In the movies, Lucas said "What's cooler than a lightsaber? A double-bladed lightsaber." Then: "How do I one-up the double-lightsaber? A dude with four arms and four lightsabers!"
In the comic, the progression is a little different: "What's cooler than Darth Maul? A zillion Darth Mauls!" Visually, a dream. Storywise? Hmmmm. I dunno. (But still often entertaining.)
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Hinkbert wrote:I agree completely with both of your comments. I thought the first Crimson Empire was well crafted and added to the EU. I just think the sequels are milking it, and I don't really like newer characters.
As for Legacy, I never looked at the way you mention, but now that I think about it, it does make sense. Maybe part of the reason I didn't like it as much is because it is so......dreary. I did like the Imperial Knights though, and I thought the return of the Sith was an excellent idea (even if some of the actual characters verge on near silliness). Oh, I can't believe I forgot Crimson Empire ... good art, and a very good use of a loyal Imperial protagonist. Legacy is much darker in tone than a lot of SW comics. I think part of the problem is it ended sooner than the creative team planned. There are some very good, postive moments but a lot of them are almost at the end of the series. Very late in the series there are two reconcilliations that I really enjoy (even if one is pretty rushed), and there's a heel/face turn that is a moment of awesome for the character who does it. I'd love to see how the series would have gone had there not been an unexpected cancellation. The Sith themselves are an interesting evolution on the overall concept. It makes sense that someone would decide "Yeah, unrelenting numerical inferiority isn't that great of an idea" and focusing on loyalty to the ideal, rather than oneself to mitigate the inherent power struggles. EVERYONE having Maul tats was kind of silly to me, but visually was very impressive.
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Legacy is hands down the greatest series out there. I would say I'm all comics but that's just me. So fresh and real with some cool new places and a solid story.
Behind that I would say Republic series was a really good one (though apparent they changed the whole run of the series to fit the new clone wars timeline. So the three years of story is now the first month of fighting, still really cool.
KOTOR and Invasion are pretty good as well.
Tales of the Jedi is an older art style but a really cool story.
Finally my favourite single books are General Grievous and Jedi versus Sith (don't be confused by the younger looking art, this is an intense story
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gwek wrote:If you want the old Marvel stuff, they've been collected into omnibuses. I bought the a few years ago for a fairly reasonble price (less than 100 bucks for the entire run, if I'm remembering right). Oh ya, I saw the Omnibuses at Barnes and Noble here. Almost bought it but grabbed something else instead. Probably pick it up at some point. I'd like to grab the Boba Fett one. gwek wrote:One caveat with KotOR: as at least one person has pointed out, a few of them story arcs (including the first one) may seem to start a little slow. Miller is a master of the simmering build, though, and I often found that not only was very satisfied by the end of each arc, but I also wanted to go back immediately and re-read to appreciate the nuance. I wholeheartedly agree with ya there gwek! gwek wrote:Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Legacy is terrible. It's got a ton of interesting ideas, and many of them are well-executed. In particular, I was intrigued by the Imperial Knights and Gar Stazi. I guess it just makes me sad that this is (currently?) the end of the continuity line for the GFFA, and I wish it were less of a horrible place. It kinda makes me feel like all the other heroes wasted their time, and perhaps I've wasted mine following their adventures. In a larger (non-comic) sense, it will be interesting to see if the Fate of the Jedi arc leads to any continuity hiccups here. I hear ya buddy. There are a couple things I'm a little iffy on but I still like it.
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General_Grievous wrote:Legacy is hands down the greatest series out there. I would say I'm all comics but that's just me. So fresh and real with some cool new places and a solid story.
Behind that I would say Republic series was a really good one (though apparent they changed the whole run of the series to fit the new clone wars timeline. So the three years of story is now the first month of fighting, still really cool.
KOTOR and Invasion are pretty good as well.
Tales of the Jedi is an older art style but a really cool story.
Finally my favourite single books are General Grievous and Jedi versus Sith (don't be confused by the younger looking art, this is an intense story Hey buddy, good to see ya made it on site brother! Thanks for jumping in. Well I finished Volume 1 of Blood of the Empire. And I really liked it a lot. Great beginning to the series. I can't wait to read the next one. I may bounce to a KoToR volume just to start that series too. I'm also thinking of Grabbing an Invasion volume as well. Thanks again for the Knight Errant books. I still need to pick those up and read them. Thanks to everyone for posting I really appreciate it!
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SquelchDog wrote:General_Grievous wrote:Legacy is hands down the greatest series out there. I would say I'm all comics but that's just me. So fresh and real with some cool new places and a solid story.
Behind that I would say Republic series was a really good one (though apparent they changed the whole run of the series to fit the new clone wars timeline. So the three years of story is now the first month of fighting, still really cool.
KOTOR and Invasion are pretty good as well.
Tales of the Jedi is an older art style but a really cool story.
Finally my favourite single books are General Grievous and Jedi versus Sith (don't be confused by the younger looking art, this is an intense story Hey buddy, good to see ya made it on site brother! Thanks for jumping in. Well I finished Volume 1 of Blood of the Empire. And I really liked it a lot. Great beginning to the series. I can't wait to read the next one. I may bounce to a KoToR volume just to start that series too. I'm also thinking of Grabbing an Invasion volume as well. Thanks again for the Knight Errant books. I still need to pick those up and read them. Thanks to everyone for posting I really appreciate it! Anytime and enjoy the reading, star wars comics rock. I read plenty of marvel and the occasional DC but they both pale behind dark horse for me. So many timelines, not to mention some really cool art and being able to visually see the different planets, characters and ships is pretty cool. Also forgot to mention the Thrawn graphic novel series! They are a phenomenal read and such a cool story with the greatest star wars villian in a starring role. Their: heir to the empire Dark force rising The last command
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So I just finished reading the Star Wars: Legacy comics. Well, I read up to issue 50, which appears to be the last one. But the story doesn't end. Does anyone know where I have to go to find the continuation of the story? Having looked on wookieepedia and stuff, I see pictures from comics of events after the comics, but can't find them in actual comic form...
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wannabe mexican wrote:So I just finished reading the Star Wars: Legacy comics. Well, I read up to issue 50, which appears to be the last one. But the story doesn't end. Does anyone know where I have to go to find the continuation of the story? Having looked on wookieepedia and stuff, I see pictures from comics of events after the comics, but can't find them in actual comic form... The five or six part series called Legacy: War. That sums it up, same with KOTOR:War
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General_Grievous wrote:SquelchDog wrote:General_Grievous wrote:Legacy is hands down the greatest series out there. I would say I'm all comics but that's just me. So fresh and real with some cool new places and a solid story.
Behind that I would say Republic series was a really good one (though apparent they changed the whole run of the series to fit the new clone wars timeline. So the three years of story is now the first month of fighting, still really cool.
KOTOR and Invasion are pretty good as well.
Tales of the Jedi is an older art style but a really cool story.
Finally my favourite single books are General Grievous and Jedi versus Sith (don't be confused by the younger looking art, this is an intense story Hey buddy, good to see ya made it on site brother! Thanks for jumping in. Well I finished Volume 1 of Blood of the Empire. And I really liked it a lot. Great beginning to the series. I can't wait to read the next one. I may bounce to a KoToR volume just to start that series too. I'm also thinking of Grabbing an Invasion volume as well. Thanks again for the Knight Errant books. I still need to pick those up and read them. Thanks to everyone for posting I really appreciate it! Anytime and enjoy the reading, star wars comics rock. I read plenty of marvel and the occasional DC but they both pale behind dark horse for me. So many timelines, not to mention some really cool art and being able to visually see the different planets, characters and ships is pretty cool. Also forgot to mention the Thrawn graphic novel series! They are a phenomenal read and such a cool story with the greatest star wars villian in a starring role. Their: heir to the empire Dark force rising The last command Oh ya, those were excellent books. Definitely looking forward to the graphic novels of those.
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General_Grievous wrote:wannabe mexican wrote:So I just finished reading the Star Wars: Legacy comics. Well, I read up to issue 50, which appears to be the last one. But the story doesn't end. Does anyone know where I have to go to find the continuation of the story? Having looked on wookieepedia and stuff, I see pictures from comics of events after the comics, but can't find them in actual comic form... The five or six part series called Legacy: War. That sums it up, same with KOTOR:War I didn't read Legacy: War, but it's my understanding that it wraps up the story pretty definitively. Is that correct? KotOR: War (if that's the case) is a bit different in that it's sort of just Zayne Carrick's next adventure. Not a real sense of finality, or anything. I definitely feel that it's Miller's intention to come back to Zayne when he's not busy with Kerra Holt or ancient Sith.
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gwek wrote:General_Grievous wrote:wannabe mexican wrote:So I just finished reading the Star Wars: Legacy comics. Well, I read up to issue 50, which appears to be the last one. But the story doesn't end. Does anyone know where I have to go to find the continuation of the story? Having looked on wookieepedia and stuff, I see pictures from comics of events after the comics, but can't find them in actual comic form... The five or six part series called Legacy: War. That sums it up, same with KOTOR:War I didn't read Legacy: War, but it's my understanding that it wraps up the story pretty definitively. Is that correct? KotOR: War (if that's the case) is a bit different in that it's sort of just Zayne Carrick's next adventure. Not a real sense of finality, or anything. I definitely feel that it's Miller's intention to come back to Zayne when he's not busy with Kerra Holt or ancient Sith. You should definitely read it, and yes it sums up A LOT, but they could always return to the timeline... I will leave it at that
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General_Grievous wrote:gwek wrote:General_Grievous wrote:wannabe mexican wrote:So I just finished reading the Star Wars: Legacy comics. Well, I read up to issue 50, which appears to be the last one. But the story doesn't end. Does anyone know where I have to go to find the continuation of the story? Having looked on wookieepedia and stuff, I see pictures from comics of events after the comics, but can't find them in actual comic form... The five or six part series called Legacy: War. That sums it up, same with KOTOR:War I didn't read Legacy: War, but it's my understanding that it wraps up the story pretty definitively. Is that correct? KotOR: War (if that's the case) is a bit different in that it's sort of just Zayne Carrick's next adventure. Not a real sense of finality, or anything. I definitely feel that it's Miller's intention to come back to Zayne when he's not busy with Kerra Holt or ancient Sith. You should definitely read it, and yes it sums up A LOT, but they could always return to the timeline... I will leave it at that At risk of making EPIC SPOILERS I will say that Legacy War sums up the series about as much as Return of the Jedi sums up the story of Star Wars.
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Legacy war is really an AMAZING series. I cant imagine what it would be like to not have read legacy before hand, but that finally is one of the best runs of comics in my opinion.
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The Rebellion series and the Empire series are my favourites as many of their stories are from the point of view of the Empire, especially with Lt. Janek Sunber. Very interesting reading. The Battle of Maridun especially is a fantastic read with not a single Rebel character in it!
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Stormtrooper wrote:The Rebellion series and the Empire series are my favourites as many of their stories are from the point of view of the Empire, especially with Lt. Janek Sunber. Very interesting reading. The Battle of Maridun especially is a fantastic read with not a single Rebel character in it! Oh SWEET!!! I was hoping for something from an Imperial perspective.
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While some was hit and miss generally the republic comics were great, and the clone wars comics were amoung the best storywise.....the Jabiim arc is my favorite in any comic, it gets across the high cost of war pretty well.
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