Like mother and daughter. Runs in the family. :)

Winning Gencon does not make a piece a problem. Only reason Mace won, was that he got real lucky in one match. He nearly didn't get to the finals. But hey, that's been an issue since Boba, BH. Sucks, but it happens when you use a random dice.

As for Shan, I don't see anyone not saying she is strong. Especially for OR. Strong does not equal overpowering. Nor does it necessarily mean it is going to cause a lot of negative issues. I look at what the best OR squads have done (Battlemasters), and if they try to fit Satele in, it will be losing something. Whether that something will be crippling or minor, I don't know. But it isn't enough to really be concerned about it. There is other stuff that I'm more concerned with.

Look I am not concerned so much about how this piece will dominate, but more along the lines of what a piece like this does to the designing of pieces in the future... From now on when a piece is made you will absolutely have to compare it to this satele shan and everything she has access to. When you design a piece you could always just say well, look at satele she can do 80 damage, parry, reroll with mettle, absorb energy, bodyguard, can't be walled, etc... so compared to her this piece should cost X. And when you have to compare and compete against pieces that you described as the "Fanboy" pieces designed in Set 4 it becomes difficult to get everything on the right track again.
Now i bet someone will say well, you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to designing, and comparing one piece to another when designing is bad practice but I believe you have to because if you don't make a piece that can compete with her in cost, that piece will never be played...

I can only hope so, but from the evidence that I have seen in the Vet Sets there are a lot of people that refuse to admit that they are wrong and that there were a lot of mistakes in design and costing. I would like to say that without these people the game would have died and everyone appreciates their input and time in creating these pieces, and I am not trying to attack anyone or make them feel unappreciated, I just try to bring light to problems that I see and feel should be addressed openly to maybe help make sure people don't continue making the same mistake, but with pieces like General Weir who is admittedly undercosted, poggle the lesser, and now about half of set 4 being costed the way they are, I feel like some of this needed to be addressed, if no one else sees these pieces like I do, ignore me, it will not hurt my feelings.

I think the play testing committee sounds like a great step, and hope it helps keep problems like this from occurring in the future.

I am just going to sum everything I can say up into this, the most overpowered units of the V-sets:

V-set 1:
Bastila Shan, Jedi Master 33 points
Old Republic Senator 14 points
Admiral Gilad Pellaeon 16 points
Yammosk War Coordinator 15 points

V-set 2:
Atton "Jaq" Rand 36 points
Darth Zannah 48 points
Lord Kaan 36 points
Mace Windu, Legacy of the Light Side 65 points
General Weir 28 points
HK-47, Assassin Droid 39 points
Klatooinian Captain 18 points

V-set 3:
Quite honestly, there isn't anything I can think of in v-set 3 that was too out in left field. Good units, yes, but nothing absolutely insane like the afore mentioned. The next few are from the mini set, which seems to be what all the over powered units were saved for:
Dr. Evazan, Galactic Criminal 16 points
Figrin D'an 10 points
Greedo, Bounty Hunter 17 points
Momaw Nadon 15 points

V-set 4: (still in the works, but the so far too good category)
BX Sniper
BX Spotter (not putting point cost on these two because it can vary a bit based on squad type)
General Grievous, Hero of Hypori 42 points
Master Yoda 44 points
Anakin solo, Galactic Hero 40 points
Satele Shan 37 points
Qui-gon jinn, force spirit 16 points

All of the mini's mentioned have either set the bar higher than ever, made it near impossible to design around, or boxed out units in their point range completely. There is nothing wrong with making good units but the ones I have mentioned here are not good units, they are near broken units that obsolete just about everything else.

I did notice that the OP's opinion of S. Shan was not offered until a whopping total of 1.75 other opinions were posted.


all this P-ing & moaning about all the v-set design so called errors is now a complete waste of time.
mistakes were made
future sets will learn from the past sets
the horse is dead-please stop beating the poor beast.
this apparent lack of appreciation for the v-sets is starting to kark me right the force off!

And a squad of all WOTC pieces made the FINALS at Gencon and could have won it all.

If all these overpowered pieces are so overwhelming then why did a squad with NONE of them make not only the top 8 but the final game?

This is my beating of the dead horse. Does a defeated horse get a death kick?

Only if it is a Naboo Draft Horse...

i think that goes a far for me. Yes i think pieces like bastilla are broken, and the Yommask may be a bit undercosted, the senator is dead on, i mean it wasn't even a new concept. Pellaeon , is maybe a bit under costed but really he isn't tearing up the meta now is he. I do realize that not all of this is about the Meta, IT is also about fun and playability. I mean it seems that you dont like any piece that is powerful like some of the WOTC pieces. you seem to not like an of the pieces that are competitive or semi competitive.

a few examples:
Atton "Jaq" Rand- Not a bad piece, good damage, decent attack, but greater mobile and Override is what people complain about. However if he did not have that i can almost guarantee that no one would play him. Why? Because no one played the original and it had higher damage potential, but lower attack and defense.

General Weir- Great Piece IMO. Brings a piece that was Previously Tier 2 or 1.5 at best up to meta, which i believe was the purpose. I really do not see the problem some people have with this piece. It does not give the Storm Commandos greater mobile or more mobility, granted they have access to swap but, that is not the same. HE does give them twin , Which they were already getting, and gives them shields, which is still only a 50/50 shot to reduce damage per shield. and really that is not all that powerful itself with the high damage characters running around anymore.

HK-47, Assassin Droid- not sure why this one is a complaint. He is completely different from his original, but it is a logical difference. IF you had given someone camaraderie to give him a commander effect it wouldn't have made sense. And yes he is fringe disruptive, which makes sense by the way, but he costs 37 to use it and unless you are in a sep/OR/Sith droid squad, that commander effect is going to be bub cuss. SO you wasted most of his points to gain a disruptive piece.

Klatoonian Captain- ???? Again not sure why there is a problem. The only burn i had with him is that he obsoletes the old wedge in Rebel, but honestly I'm OK with that for the Pilot sub factions. HE helps pilots a little bit, but most factions there are so few pilots (More Now) that you have to build a squad around that idea.

The Cantina Brawl Pieces- Really Evazan could have been through camaraderie, but he wasn't exactly being played before either and it wasn't just one thing that made him not playable. The original greedo, wouldn't have seen play. and as to mamaw nadon and Figrin, they bring a new and unique character. Both have been heavily requested, and both bring something slightly new to the game. Figrin has distraction and draw fire, which i guess is the problem with him, but really that is all he is for, why is that an issue , i mean salacious is a cheaper distraction than he is. And mamaw has an area affect ability that is new, but yet the principal is not. so he can do 10 damage to everything within 6 (Including allies i might add) all that really does is affect swarms and mouse swarms was the intent. Yes, he is available to lobot, but again i believe this to be their intent., so that he could be brought in when needed.

The Spotter And sniper- I get the hurt here. People wanted the Old sniper to become more playable and these guys add a cheaper defense to the seps. But really they aren't not going to be a huge problem. THe dont have high damage output and even though they are mobile, they still can be taken down quick.

Grievous- There was no fixing Jedi Hunter. TO make him playable you already had to play Whorm and if you added another piece on top of that maul would still be a better choice. Pure and simple.

yoda- Brings new life to old pieces, not sure what the problem is.

Anakin solo- Again Brings new life to little seen pieces.

Satele- really a little to powerful but that is a matter of point of view.

Quigon Jinn- I do not see a problem with this. I play tested this piece and the idea of a force battery was a bad one. HE did well giving someone renewal and allowing them to swap inits (since he cant do it much) plus he in effect gave them force spirit which is nice for the republic.