If the spotters could see Carth, why wasn't Morrigan adjacent to one so that she could benefit from the shields? Sorry - just trying to understand that opening sequence.

Nice. Thanks for the explanation.

What Tim says is true :)

http://www.bloomilk.com/Squad/122740/hero-of-hyperbole
--Hero of Hyperbole--
42 General Grievous, Hero of Hypori
36 Darth Sidious
31 IG Lancer Droid
27 Lobot
10 San Hill
9 Battle Droid Officer
9 Poggle the Lesser
36 Geonosian Drone x18

(200pts. 25 activations)

So in my practice sessions for this tourney I was playing a Cad Bane/Arica team that had a twist I really really liked. After I saw Tim had decided to make the trek to Tenn I changed my mind. I truly despise having to play mirror matches and I figured he would play his Cad and Arica squad. So I did what I usually do and read about past tourneys and find stuf I liked. A guy in the Atlanta group had been playing this squad but with Assaj Assassin for a year or so and I've been spanked by it a few times. So with the new Grievous I liked the option of Strafe + Spinning Blades'ing stuff to death with a bunch of drones to blow up stuff in the way. I liked the challenge of the squad's only shooting being Poggle and the BDO. It meant I had to play extremely careful and be both able to plan out safe paths for every single character in the squad (cause you cant put drones next to each other) and also do that very very fast to get 3 point wins. I did end up 6-0 with all 3 point wins, so mission accomplished.

Round 1 vs Melinda (Lawful Evil Bastilla, Zannah, Atton, both Sith Ghosts, Gary, fodder)
I won map roll, chose my map: Rancor Pit.
Lobot (r7, 4 uggies)

Melinda had been playing minis for all of 1 day. So she needed some help on the rules. I did what I could to help, but teaching how to play vs my squad is a lot harder then I thought. Round 1 Zannah and Bastilla ran into gambit, by round 2 a bunch of drones had bear hugged them and killed them. Traded the Lancer for Atton (Worth IT!) and Grievous killed the leftovers.

Round 2 vs Graham (Sideous, Lancer, Lobot, Whorm, 2 IG86's, Overseer, filler)
I won map roll, chose his map: Ravaged Base.
Lobot (r7, 4 uggies)

Remember how much I love mirror matches? I chose his map because on mine he would of had completely shut down my strafe path's by taking the right side. On his map it's also much easier to make a minefield that cant be shot and is impossible for his lancer to go through. After about 15 minutes of the game he decided the only way to win was to have enough luck that I make the saves and my bombs dont blow up and score a crit on poggle with his lancer. He got the first part, didnt get the crit so he called it there.

Round 3 vs Richard (Mandalore the Vindicated, Training Sergent, x2 scouts, x2 scientists, x2 sabatuers, fodder.)
He won map, chose his map: Jabba's Palace.
Lobot (Muun Tactics Broker, 4 uggies)

So this is about one of the worst possible matches I could have drawn. Mandalore + Black Ops training vs my dudes who need Poggle's CE and my guys who have to move......he chose to give mandalore Parry too which made it even worse. First round I totally forget the movement thing training sergent has and have to recount my lancer path i had planned. He moves his dudes up and even is nice enough to open a door for me to strafe through (what a nice guy!). I send the Lancer through after I pawn it to get there and go ahead and count my run away landing spot next round. Between black ops, parry, and misses I didn't do a ton of damage but I got some through. I kept this going every round, pawn strafe, win init, strafe again and hide. And kept my 18 drones in the way to slow down Mandalore who was still advancing every round. I finally have to sell out the lancer to get all the way in his backfield to kill his r7 who is being annoying, this also lets me not worry about it and let grievous step in and start beating on guys. Finally I get some damage onto the black ops training guy and actually get damage on mandalore. After that I have 2 drones score crits on mandalore (score!) and the lancer makes it back across the map to help pound on him. He finally drops to a sideous Lightning. Lost every bomb and exactly 0 blew up. Good job targetting rules!

Round 4 vs Spry (IG88A, IG88 Assassin, Hk-47, Spotter droid, sniper droid, gha, lots of acts.)
I won map, chose his map:Peaceful City
Lobot (Muun Tactics Broker, 4 uggies)

This game was weird. I would hit all his guys and miss gha naught on strafes and then he would repair them back up, so annoying. I had to find a way to kill HK quickly or I'd kill my own squad with my MTB. So I keep strafing, and strafing, and strafing and get him down to 20, before I make a bone head move and land the lancer next to a door. He finds a LOS to it and boom, dead lancer. Now I send in grievous for a death run to do as much as he can. Grievous drops hk, gha, some punks who got in the way and threw some damage on the IGGY's. Then it was all drones chasing dudes down and sid lightning guys. I got down to Sid, 4 drones, Poggle, and the MTB before I finally dropped IG-88 Assassin. Those stupid shields and great play from spry made it really tough.

Semi-Final vs Jason (Atris, Thrawn, x3 echanis, veers, jaaba, Mas, r7, x2 brutes, uggie)
I won map, chose my map: Rancor Pit.
Lobot (Muun Tactics Broker, r7, uggie)

I knew that I would get blasted like crazy in this game on my map, but screw playing on his map. He just completely dominated Graham's Lancer on his map so I knew I map to play out of my mind to get my 0 shooter squad to beat Super echani's. Round 1 he blows up a few drones and advances. I did my best to give him shots that would make him have to move out into strafeable zones. He gives me 2 strafeable echanis and I take it. I end up trading the lancer for two of the handmaidens (WORTH IT!) and then try and figure out how to win the game from there. The game came down to his having to move an echani via swap over to my end of the table to get some shots needing 6's to kill grievous. He hits em all and I'll have a hard time cutting through all of his Hp fast enough with my dwindling amount of drones. He misses just one and grievous can at least kill the last handmaiden and maybe get a little damage on guys before he dies. Thankfully (for me anyway) he misses two. Grievous is still in spinning blades shape and takes out the echani. Jason sends Atris after grievous but misses the fact grievous has Parry. At the next init Grievous kills Atris and parries away the riposte. From there drones bear hugged thrawn and veers and grievous and sideous finished them off.

Final vs Spry....again.
He won map, chose his map: Peaceful City.

Cntl + C, Cntl + P all of what happened in game 1 onto this one with just a few changes. In this one I played great until the end part where I let grievous get shot down to 30 HP (duh!). The only damage my Lancer took was from pawn damage, and it died from taking pawn damage. I finally got him down to just IG88A and the end game was IG88A + 7 mice vs San Hill, BDO, Poggle, 1 drone, and grievous. San Hill on my side helped a lot, even in end game activating 1 is HUGE!!!!! He kills poggle wisely with 88A and San Hill, and the BDO each kill a mouse a piece. Grievous kills the mouse in front of 88A and sid runs up to tank and zap him. At init sid Zaps again and 88A shoots and moves back. Grievous spends his force point to wall climb over the mice and smack 88A once, which got him down to 30HP. i won the last init and grievous finshed him off on the last hit after I use sid's force point to reroll it.


So I won, really fun tourney. Got to run a faction I don't use a lot, using a piece I helped design. Felt pretty good. Grievous only killed 2 jedi all day (evil Bastilla and Atris) but spinning blades is still crazy effective even with only a +10 attack.

Thanks to Bronson for putting on the event and to everyone that came out to play (except nick, screw you). I was able to buy some old NES games my wife wanted for christmas and now I have a snazy new trophy I get to show off to family who still isn't sure what exactly I do on these trips. Now I just show them the trophy lol.

Here's looking forward to Minis Mania 3!

I think the important question to ask....who got the privilege of playing against Nick?

Daniel (echo24) won a special prize at the tournament.

Mod Edit: I'm not so sure on that.

Make sure to ask him about it!

:D

Edit: Hey mod - PM me and I'll be happy to explain the pic. In reality it is harmless and G rated I assure you.

I agree that's a sneaky play, and in a friendly game of course you'd get to put the pieces on the board. Given the situation, I'd probably have to agree with the judge there since the opponent objected. But it seems like there should be a compromise that would seem fair to both sides. On the one hand, the pieces should have been on the board already - they're part of the squad and you shouldn't have to forfeit 27 points for something that silly. On the other hand, if he liked his move and his roll in round 1, he probably doesn't want to reset the game. And he might have done something different if the pieces were on the board. His argument on that point sounds silly in this instance, but in principle it's a valid point.

Maybe a compromise like.. he is the one who gets to decide where your 2 pieces go in the setup area. Or maybe reset the game but he gets to re-use his successful die rolls, knowing in advance what his round 1 die rolls will be. I guess both of those are kind of contrived, though. *shrug* Just trying to see both sides.

I made a post about illegal game states on Gamers about 6 months ago. Here are, in my opinion, the 3 options for dealing with illegal game states:



Option #1 doesn't really work, because lots of stuff has happened. A whole round had passed, so just placing Lobot and the Mouse Droid isn't what I would rule if there is a disagreement (personally, as a player, I'd let you do that, but if there is a disagreement between the players as a judge I wouldn't). Option #2 doesn't work well either, because a whole round has happened, so that's a lot of stuff to re-do and lots of time lost. Option #3, however, ALSO doesn't work well, because it's not a minor thing that you forgot! It's a very significant 27 point character and another (less significant) 3 point character. That's 30 points worth of characters; 15% of the point total for the game. In my opinion, that's way too much to ignore.

I think that since the problem was a start-of-game issue, I would let the players decide between option #1 and option #2 (if they can't agree, option #2 it is). I would either let you just set Lobot and the Mouse up in your starting area, but you don't get to activate them in round 1 (just because that seems relatively fair to me). Or you rewind all the way back to the start of the game. If you set up second, then he has to revert back to the exact same setup, and then you set up as you want to, since that's where the illegal game state was created.

It's a really hard call there, because none of the 3 options are good. I would definitely give both players an official warning to be more careful and not let this happen again (this warning would only really matter if the exact same situation happens in another game, where someone forgets to set somebody up and neither player catches it). Technically it's against the rules to not deploy your entire squad, and BOTH players have to ensure that ALL of the rules are followed. If they don't, that's a warning.

What this really falls under is the main rule of any game. I like to call it the "don't be a dick" rule.

And that is the problem. What was presented, not what it really is, is what matters.