Ok, this is where I have to disagree... depending on what build you are trying to achieve, Destroyer Droid are never going to be obsolete. 30pts isn't that expensive for already built-in double, plus stacking with Grievous and BDO for SE, DD can potential deal 80 at +16 attack with shielding. If that's not enough, Kazdan's reinforcements can take this guy because he's a solid 30pts. How is this piece obsolete? It's like saying Guri is obsolete, but you know what... give it time to adjust.

Emperor Palpatine and Throne Palp is 7 point difference. One could walk and the other is a crutch. There's not really a comparison because it depends on the squad build. Do you want RS Palp to move around and try to avoid LoS or sit there and wait until someone manage to get couple shots? It depends on the preference.... and I don't find my RS Palp to be obsolete in any way

Uhm... Droids are not subject to Nute Gunray's CE... in fact, why Nute Gunray is still usable with a solid droid army would be his reserves and reinforcements.

I don't know what you're defending here. I said that I believed CS Maul was obsolete, not that he's bad. There's a difference. Obsolete implies a previous use, but has now been replaced (in most builds) by newer and better. Some people still love Rolling Cleave, but it's still pretty much a gimmick ability and Maul COTF is better most of the time.

I NEVER put Carth in that position.

Carth is in the "Drastically overcosted and never playable FROM HIS INTRODUCTION" category.

Dare we compare Carth with CS Aurra Sing:

Carth Onasi 37 points
OR
HP: 70
Def: 16
Atk: +7
Dam: 10

Special Abilities
Unique; Pilot; Double Attack; Twin Attack; Deadeye; Intuition; Industrial Repiar 10;

Aurra Sing 37 points
Fringe
HP: 130
Def: 21
Atk: +11
Dam: 20

Special Abilities
Unique; Accurate Shot; Careful Shot +4; Jedi Hunter;

Force Powers
Force 2
Lightsaber Sweep


...Or Boba Fett, Enforcer?

Boba Fett, Enforcer 38 points
Fringe
HP: 100
Def: 19
Atk: +11
Dam: 20

Special Abilities
Unique; Acc Shot; BH +4; Missiles 30; Mobile Attack; Evade; Net Gun;

...Or even Luke, Hero of Yavin?

Luke, HoY 35 Points
Rebel
HP: 60
Def: 16
Atk: +8
Dam: 20

Special Abilities
Unique; Pilot; Double Attack; Twin Attack; Flurry Attack; Deadly Attack;

Force Powers
Force 3
Lightsaber Deflect

Now... how can you possibly say that Carth "isn't that bad"??

I personally wouldn't worry about GG, DAC if the support is doing most of the work

Some of the units being listed as obsolete are pretty much subject to the weakness of their faction:

Darth Maul (CS): He is weak because the entire faction is weak for living allies. Outside of having 2 Force Batteries (Sids) and Dark Inspiration, he doesn't have any real way of being improved. Only thing that really helps him is the ChagMerCom and a mouse so that his Deadly Attack is boosted. I personally like the original Darth Maul and don't overestimate the damage a Rolling Cleave can do. It can be the difference between taking a triple from someone and making them have to move.

Nihilus: He's my favorite Sith in the Sith Faction. Sure, he doesn't do anything by himself. However, name one Sith character that can deal with those pesky Nobles without worrying about LoS to other enemies? Don't answer because the only other one is Darth Revan at 88 pts. He doesn't function solely but he is a great nuisance. With access to FR and mouse droids, he can make people annoyed. You do need to run a bigger beat or threat in front of him due to his fragility. But, the looking on a character's face is priceless when they can't get near him because a FelCor is keeping them at bay and he's draining FPs. And now he has a couple of partners that can boost him either with attacks or numbers of attack. Krayt is a good partner in crime with him as Krayt can absorb a tough amount of punishment while Nihilus drains FPs. Will he kill 44 pts of enemies? Probably not. But, removing troublesome pieces with 10 pts (Mouse Droids, Ugs, Nobles) as he just strolls by is still a nifty trick.

Emperor Palpatine (RS): Until a better mobile version of him comes out, the RS is still a viable option. He doesn't get his FPs out as fast as his lazy counterpart but at least he isn't nerfed by a Diplomat.

In this game, never write off a mini as you never know when something may come up that makes them viable again. Obsolete means that no matter how you try to improve it, it becomes more economical to go to the newer one.

I never said that Carth was good. He's just really situational, too situational for competitive play.

I strongly disagree, for 11 points it can be a reinforcement figure for Lobot and with Tarpals it has more power than any attacking figure vs. GOWK.

I don't know, is "Allies get -2 Attack and gain Speed 4." a CE? Maybe I need glasses to imply that Droids are not effected by his CE... but again, I don't know, could anyone verify who's right?

::facepalm::

Seriously, that's the point I was trying to make.... Nute Gunray CE has no effect on Droids because Droids are NOT subject to commander effects, such as Nute Gunray!! Please re-read my original post...

And for future reference... please don't tell me to re-read anything, I studied each and every card and FAQs to pass the DCI Rules Advisor test. Telling me to re-read something is an insult, so again... if you feel that I am wrong about something, correct me, please.

Carth is that bad, CS maul is not. Never underestemate rolling cleave. Who is Sidious from R&I and RS? You do mean Palpatine as Kenred2 says?



I mostly agree with this. Mostly. The UNI. Rancor was never playable But we all tried. The stap is an iffy one for me.



You can do better for points than a destroyer droid. But as stated any non-unique droid can get some serious help. And shields can not be underestemated. Not to mention a possible twin bonus. For 30 points it isn't a bad ranged option for droids. The stap is a one trick pony. Use it once, hope it works and let it die. But again with the right support the Stap can be very effective. And it's cheap enough point wise that lossing it wont cripple your squad.

Palp on thrown is 33 points. Emp Palp from RS and R&I is 40 points. The difference between them is a snowtrooper. And while Palp on the throne is more trendy at the moment a figure that is emplaced can be a hinderence. I like the idea of spending 7 points to walk around and move about. While still being a battery to help my allies. He is by no means obsolute.


I have to say at the moment the only truly obsolute mini is the Old Republic Recruit. Noone else has been so outclassed or made completely worthless by another. The Rebel Commando is a close second with the advant of the same costeed Veteran. And the argument about them above is legit. Why spend an additional 13 points for the Czerka when you can spend 2 points for the ERC? And do the same things?