To what LB said about all the Aggressive Costing, +1. Though, the cost doesn't look that bad on Ikrit.

Fixed that! Since JEK isn't able to get votes I'd probably vote Dark Luke so I just put my vote on Kyle instead.

You might feel that way, but you would be wrong. The Vsets have not increased power of individual pieces significantly, they simply add more competitive level pieces to make the tournament scene more diverse. Seriously, dosen't anyone read what Hutts posts?

That progression has not been taking place. Show me a 45~ point mini that's even close to MJJ's level, let alone better.


That comparison is inaccurate and it shows a lot of what people misunderstand about the Vsets.




I was directing my post at LB, not you.

An alternate view would be if I asked you to make a new Nien Nunb, with todays views and understanding of the game, but he must cost the same as his Universe piece.
I know the Vsets are here to keep the game alive, and they are amazing; and they do this by not ignoring the progression if of the game. Cost wise they are great, but the cost has to be aggressively pushed, depending on faction, specific character or nook to fill, every once and a while.
These are just my views, I sure I'm not alone but first and foremost, I'm not complaining!
Sorry to derail again

...Nien's Universe piece is horrible. It was horrible the second it came out.


Not really. Their costs aren't designed to be on the same level as strictly casual pieces. Not a hard difference to grasp, really.



Sorry, but I'm sick of people working little jabs at the Vsets into their posts, especially when they do it as a justification to bash a piece designed to be on par with competitive pieces in the same spirit as the Vset sets, and the hiding behind "I'm not complaining" so they don't get called on it.

No problem corran. Not against healthy discussion, just be nice to each other

Right, firstly I'm not be critical or making digs. So please try not to be argumentative, or assume I'm attacking the designers. I'm not being snidey, malicious, rude or disrespectful. So please, don't read negativity in to my statements. If I was going to say I don't like something, I be VERY direct about it.
This is Star Wars and we are all here for that same reason.

By my understanding, from the old threads were Wizards Rob got intouch, competitive play was never in Wizards original design practice, SW tournaments were a by product of the original game idea. A great one. If I'm mistaken in that, then I apologise.

The Vsets were developed to keep the game alive, but are naturally now geared towards tournament play. To encourage this, new pieces are designed with that in mind. They have to be! The game has evolved, making individual pieces and factions more competitive.
As with Wizards, some work, some don't, some are loved, some are not.
Wizards never had a true costing system for minis, the tournaments changed this.
The V-sets do the difficult task of balancing, game needs and fan wants, better than Wizards ever did.
There has had to be progression, power creep or competitive creep. Simple terms.

I understand it was for LB and I was just agreeing with him.
Other than that, Fair enough. I can see where this is going.
We must be looking a different things, I put my examples across nicely and my understanding as to why I think they are; so I'll just happily agree to disagree with you and leave it at that.

I won't bother arguing, as I know it's not exclusive to the vsets, but that doesn't mean I have to like when pieces are replaced by other pieces (in the name of competitiveness) WOTC also did it (Malak vs Malak, DLOTS).

As far as the vset examples go Klat Assassin vs Keldor BH for 1 point less you get a figure that is at least the same power level as one that was already arguably too strong for the point level to begin with.

In the end whether it's for competitive sake or not doesn't matter to me, I just don't like when pieces replace other pieces.