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Oh, cool. Thanks! I'll keep it as is then probably.
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Yeah it wasn't uncalled for that's why I still gave yours a 9, was just wondering if it was intentional or not.
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Yeah, it was intended in the end, but there was a bit of concern about whether or not it was correct.
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DW: cyborg feels off but I like the CE's. For 41 points, I'd expect higher damage. 8.75
PL: Kept her non-Melee but her 6 FPs are a lot for 34 pts. You kept her without giving her access to boosts. I'd probably have given her a method to boost damage. Maybe affinity for Sith just for more flexibility in building. 8.5
LB: I like the CE/Force Valor combo. Ensured she was a mid-level without a lot of High Level support (Vader Swapping but Desann is ok). Imp Knights with TK are pretty sweet. I'm torn on Sonic Attacks. They fit but in that level of character, to me, feels powerful. But, I used Brutal Strike so what do I know. 9.25
Saber1: We were close on the same course at the beginning and the split. I love the Sonic Stunner. The CE, IMHO, should be for Melee Non-U's. I think I'd have like to see CR as a save-version of Bribery, though that might be cumbersome at the beginning of the game. 9.25
Tough call vs LB and Saber1.
My choice goes to Lord Ball.
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markedman247's Arden Lyn, Emperor's Hand.Counterattack definitely fits a martial artist, Brutal Strike fits her. I kinda was liking her more before the most recent changes still a good character. 8.25 Lord_Ball's Arden Lyn, Imperial Defector. I love the CE, my only suggestion would be to limit it to Medium based characters. (so no Imp sentinels, Nightsister/Felucien on Rancor) I especially like Sonic Attack on her, great job there! Our characters are pretty similar (GMA, Indepedent Outfit, A mastery of Teräs Käsi) so I like.  She will do great in a all Fringe Squad also. 10 saber1's Arden Lyn, Rogue Agent. Recruiter Arden here, with Charismatic Recruiter, Sonic Stunner, and a CE that can keep some Imp characters in a all Fring Talon squad. (if your very careful with placement) good character 9 Pegolego's Arden Lyn, Ancient Dark Jedi's Seems you took the 'Sion' route with this character. I like Anarchist on her and all her other SA's fit. Sith Sorcery Can represent her using her sonic powers to stun. (like I represented with a custom Force Power and Saber1 with Sonic Stunner.) Eternal Hatred just doesn't feel right on her... Anyway as is she is definitely a interference piece with Twin to make you think twice about AoO's, Teräs Käsi Style makes her tough against Melee, SS activates and Eternal Hatred keeps her coming back. 8.5 Deathwielded's Arden Lyn, Master of Teräs Käsi. My version. My vote goes to Lord_ball Defector.
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Arden Lyn, Master of Teras Kasi (Deathwielded) 9
I like the placement of Independent Outfit, and Cyborg is an interesting move. Quite a few abilities though for what I would imagine her as. CE is gold. Sonic Shockwave is nice. Affinity gives her more options.
Arden Lyn, Emperor's Hand (markedman247) 9
The ability selection is interesting, I like it.
Arden Lyn, Imperial Defector (Lord Ball) 10
Teras Kasi Mastery is AMAZING! Love the CE, and good choice of Force Powers. Awesome build man, I love everything.
Arden Lyn, Rogue Agent (saber1) 10
Some very interesting mechanics at work here, well executed.
Vote to Lord Ball's version.
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Arden Lyn, Master of Teräs Käsi by Deathwielded
Double/Twin/GMA is quite an escalation from the WotC version. I like the use of Independent Outfit, though Affinity and Cyborg could easily be dropped. Sonic Shockwave is an interesting ability. Recovery 60 feels a bit over powered, but not to the point where I might dislike the piece. The CE is cool. The first part is redundant if using IO in a Talon Karrde squad, but the second is butta. 9
Arden Lyn, Emperor's Hand by markedman247
Counter Attack, Twin, Flurry and Teräs Käsi add up to a solid melee piece, though I am disappointed to see Deadly Attack and Acrobatic haven't made the cut. Brutal Strike is a great choice, though Whirlwind is a bit much with Twin. I like the minor ranged option and her ability to hit back hard. 9.25
Arden Lyn, Rogue Agent by saber1
No comment.
Arden Lyn, Ancient Dark Jedi by pegolego
The suite of abilities are potent, but make me wonder if we were looking at entirely different wookieepedia entries. Self Relient, Twin Attack and Teräs Käsi (perhaps Anarchist) all make sense but I dont see support for the rest. Melee's absence is curious. 8
Arden Lyn, Imperial Defector by Lord_Ball
Funny the three of us all had CEs that handed out TKS, so of course I like the CE. Yours was the only Double/GMA piece so kudos for going unique yet not crazy. The downside is she only goes to Triple with Tarkin as opposed to Double/Twin. Your TKSM feels like the most logical and balanced progression from TKS. Rival isn't my favorite choice but I understand its use. Force Valor has long been a favorite of mine, though I am skeptical of its attribution to list of abilities on wookieepedia. The most glaring issue is the price. 32 points makes her ridiculously cheap given her 2 excellent CEs in addition to a very good suite of abilities. 9
My vote this week goes to mm247.
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Alright! Everyone voted this time! That's like a first!   now to the results:  pegolego's Arden Lyn, Ancient Dark Jedi: 9,8.5,8.5,8 for an average of 8.5 Deathwielded's Arden Lyn, Master of Teräs Käsi: 9,8.75,9,9 for an average of 8.9375 saber1's Arden Lyn, Rogue Agent: 9,9.25,9,10 for an average of 9.3125 markedman247's Arden Lyn, Emperor's Hand: 9,8.25,9,9.25  for an average of 8.875
Lord_Ball's Arden Lyn, Imperial Defector 9.25,10,10,9 for an average of 9.5625 which is the highest in this contest thus you get an additional two for a total of 5! (which is almost unanimous!  )
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for my character I seem to get the message that we don't like Cyborg on her.  I don't see it as a problem in fact I can't think of any non-customs that would benefit her? (other than for the Repair) I think her damage value at 10 still means she can put out the hurt with 4 attacks, in the Imps she can get 6 attacks with tarken on the move with opportunist from Thrawn (total out put 120) or +10 damage in the Sith via Bandon (total output 80 unless you give her a Spirit) or +4/+10 in a all fringe squad. @Saber1 Good point about her CE not being able to stack with Talons CE, I overlooked that. Thanks for the feedback!
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She's not that much of a cyborg it is just her arm.
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The ratings vs. votes comparison is interesting. The second lowest average rating received the second highest number of votes. The second highest average rating received no votes whatsoever.
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harryg wrote:She's not that much of a cyborg it is just her arm. She's more than Luke, less than Vader. I would argue that she doesn't have anything vital replaced by machinery like a Lobot or Lumiya. I mentioned Cyborg in my review but it was not a sticking point for me. Is she technically a cyborg? Yes. Is she a cyborg based on WotC precedent? No. I will disclose the fact that my version included Cyborg early on. Due to her ballooning number of abilities, it was dropped quickly.
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saber1 wrote:The ratings vs. votes comparison is interesting. The second lowest average rating received the second highest number of votes. The second highest average rating received no votes whatsoever. That's a good thing, imo. Usually, the amount of votes is pretty in line with the averages, which basically means (as Signer J pointed out way back) that the rating was pointless.
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A note about mine:
I went through 3-5 edits a day. I wanted a mid-point between range and Melee beat. She went through a Melee phase with uber range one shot to range with an SA for Melee. Double or Twin. Flurry vs Vicious. Overwhelming power vs Brutal Strike. I went from mini-Mace Jedi Master (Whirlwind and Shockwave).
I will retool her for something in 40's but I didn't take the risk of over charging her vs the 30's.
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