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Galactic Funk wrote:scruffyhan wrote:Clunky, useless, over priced. Sorry I don't have more optimism when it comes to Vset Designers and Sith Beats, they are nine times out of ten overpriced and go to a special shelf where they are never seen from again, see Marka Ragnos, Lord Krayt, etc. You mean the Lord Krayt that made the top 8 at Gencon this past year? Maybe you're doing it wrong.... In all seriousness though your negativity does seem to be a bit over the top even if there is something of a valid point in there. I'm pretty sure that making top 8 at Gencon doesn't mean you are a T1 piece. I believe that was discussed like a billion times already with Mace Windu. I jest. I think the guy running Krayt found success due to match ups, map choice, plain stupid luck, or he just faced bad players. Yes they exist at Gencon. I attended back in the WoTC days. As far as my negativity goes, I'm apologize for pooping in your cheerios, but I call a spade a spade, and I don't think everything the Vset Designers do is gold. I know no one likes to talk about it. Blind acceptance and obedience is encouraged here. In conclusion, my posts are sarcastic humor. I know the designers work hard, and have done a great job at continuing on the game. I just don't think for the most part they get the Sith. See Darth Nihilus, Lord of Hunger.
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TimmerB123 wrote:Just having a little fun here. Sorry if the above stats excited anyone - I think they are crap. No creativity, no balance - just a bunch of abilities thrown together.
The actual stats are much better. (Note: better doesn't always mean more powerful) thought that's how all the v-sets were made -LOL 
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jak wrote:TimmerB123 wrote:Just having a little fun here. Sorry if the above stats excited anyone - I think they are crap. No creativity, no balance - just a bunch of abilities thrown together.
The actual stats are much better. (Note: better doesn't always mean more powerful) thought that's how all the v-sets were made -LOL  You made me laugh good sir. Best post of the day.
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scruffyhan wrote:See Darth Nihilus, Lord of Hunger. Out of curiosity, what do you have against Nihilus LoH?
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SignerJ wrote:scruffyhan wrote:See Darth Nihilus, Lord of Hunger. Out of curiosity, what do you have against Nihilus LoH? The better question, is what do I not have against him?
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scruffyhan wrote:Galactic Funk wrote:scruffyhan wrote:Clunky, useless, over priced. Sorry I don't have more optimism when it comes to Vset Designers and Sith Beats, they are nine times out of ten overpriced and go to a special shelf where they are never seen from again, see Marka Ragnos, Lord Krayt, etc. You mean the Lord Krayt that made the top 8 at Gencon this past year? Maybe you're doing it wrong.... In all seriousness though your negativity does seem to be a bit over the top even if there is something of a valid point in there. I'm pretty sure that making top 8 at Gencon doesn't mean you are a T1 piece. I believe that was discussed like a billion times already with Mace Windu. I jest. I think the guy running Krayt found success due to match ups, map choice, plain stupid luck, or he just faced bad players. Yes they exist at Gencon. I attended back in the WoTC days. As far as my negativity goes, I'm apologize for pooping in your cheerios, but I call a spade a spade, and I don't think everything the Vset Designers do is gold. I know no one likes to talk about it. Blind acceptance and obedience is encouraged here. In conclusion, my posts are sarcastic humor. I know the designers work hard, and have done a great job at continuing on the game. I just don't think for the most part they get the Sith. See Darth Nihilus, Lord of Hunger. I wasn't there so I couldn't say definitively but it sounds more like very good player with a very good squad idea and played well. As is the case with a lot of people making the top 8 it's a combination of skill, squad, match ups and luck mixed together. Lord Krayt + Revan SL + a mouse and a combination of Uggies, Brutes and/or Recruits. It has Master Tactician plus activation control and ridiculous movement. He basically proved that EVERYBODY was doing it wrong when it came to Lord Krayt. And on a side note I would recommend giving that squad a whirl because it is super fun. You can be critical of the Vset designers all you want I just think it's silly. Has everything been great with the V-sets? Not a chance, there have been some pretty big bungles. But if you look at what the Sith are now as compared to where they were in the hands of WotC it's not even close. Zannah is a strong piece even if a major annoyance and less than Tier 1. Jaq Rand is outstanding especially when paired with GARY. Revan SL, Caedus SL, Malgus, Exar DFS, Kaan, Sith Recruits.......I'm sure I'm missing more too. Not everyone can or should be Tier 1. You can say it's in jest but when most of your posts are critical of something then it looks as if you just want to sit back and do nothing but take pot shots at the community. But whatever. You're comments have already shown you don't have a realistic take on things anyway.
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Galactic Funk wrote:scruffyhan wrote:Galactic Funk wrote:scruffyhan wrote:Clunky, useless, over priced. Sorry I don't have more optimism when it comes to Vset Designers and Sith Beats, they are nine times out of ten overpriced and go to a special shelf where they are never seen from again, see Marka Ragnos, Lord Krayt, etc. You mean the Lord Krayt that made the top 8 at Gencon this past year? Maybe you're doing it wrong.... In all seriousness though your negativity does seem to be a bit over the top even if there is something of a valid point in there. I'm pretty sure that making top 8 at Gencon doesn't mean you are a T1 piece. I believe that was discussed like a billion times already with Mace Windu. I jest. I think the guy running Krayt found success due to match ups, map choice, plain stupid luck, or he just faced bad players. Yes they exist at Gencon. I attended back in the WoTC days. As far as my negativity goes, I'm apologize for pooping in your cheerios, but I call a spade a spade, and I don't think everything the Vset Designers do is gold. I know no one likes to talk about it. Blind acceptance and obedience is encouraged here. In conclusion, my posts are sarcastic humor. I know the designers work hard, and have done a great job at continuing on the game. I just don't think for the most part they get the Sith. See Darth Nihilus, Lord of Hunger. I wasn't there so I couldn't say definitively but it sounds more like very good player with a very good squad idea and played well. As is the case with a lot of people making the top 8 it's a combination of skill, squad, match ups and luck mixed together. Lord Krayt + Revan SL + a mouse and a combination of Uggies, Brutes and/or Recruits. It has Master Tactician plus activation control and ridiculous movement. He basically proved that EVERYBODY was doing it wrong when it came to Lord Krayt. And on a side note I would recommend giving that squad a whirl because it is super fun. You can be critical of the Vset designers all you want I just think it's silly. Has everything been great with the V-sets? Not a chance, there have been some pretty big bungles. But if you look at what the Sith are now as compared to where they were in the hands of WotC it's not even close. Zannah is a strong piece even if a major annoyance and less than Tier 1. Jaq Rand is outstanding especially when paired with GARY. Revan SL, Caedus SL, Malgus, Exar DFS, Kaan, Sith Recruits.......I'm sure I'm missing more too. Not everyone can or should be Tier 1. You can say it's in jest but when most of your posts are critical of something then it looks as if you just want to sit back and do nothing but take pot shots at the community. But whatever. You're comments have already shown you don't have a realistic take on things anyway. No where in my comments did I ever say anything about every beat has to be Tier 1, useful. But not tier 1. We get countless 60 plus point pieces for the sith that do nothing except fill space in a set list. You can try and argue with "Well this guy ran this and did this at this event" all you want. That's just the facts jack. In my initial post I merely commented on the many blunders that have come through the pipeline as far as the Sith Faction is concerned, and then said I was holding out hope for Bane. I hope the Vset Delivers on him. He's been a long time coming. I'm sure either you or your friend ran the Krayt squad, congrats to you or whoever for running it. I like seeing squads like that do well. Doesn't mean I think it's worth anything. Luck and Skill are two completely different things. Also a quick edit, Atton isn't Sith, OR with affinity. We're talking Sith Lords here. Karness Murr, Darth Nihilus Lord of Hunger, Marka Ragnos.
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I hope we can get this back on topic, this has turned into a bash fest, and all i want is BANE!
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droidadmiral wrote:I hope we can get this back on topic, this has turned into a bash fest, and all i want is BANE! Bane's a cool guy and the fact that they gave him the moniker Sith'ari means they have something special for him. I kinda hope The Celestial Warrior was teasing us for our over-anxiousness. Competitive and a very good representation is what I hear about him, there is a whole LOT they could do with him, so here's hoping 
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I believe I have cleaned this threat up enough for it to be brought back. So, going forward, let's keep it to Bane. No insulting of each other, keep it to constructive criticism, and keep it on the figure, not other sites or people.
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Quote:No where in my comments did I ever say anything about every beat has to be Tier 1, useful. But not tier 1. We get countless 60 plus point pieces for the sith that do nothing except fill space in a set list. You can try and argue with "Well this guy ran this and did this at this event" all you want. That's just the facts jack. I think most of the big v-set Sith Lords bring something useful and valuable to the table - not necessarily all Tier 1 tournament pieces, but all have their niches where they're useful. I certainly wouldn't underrate Lord Krayt - even though I think he could have been cheaper/and or got Force Renewal 2, MOTF2 and Transfer Essence is an uber powerful combination. Malgus' Face Your Destiny is nasty, Caedus's SBM is awesome, Darth Maul Sith Infiltrator is a nasty beatstick, Zannah is a tank, Revan's speed plus self swap is awesome - plenty of really good pieces to build around there. Certainly a lot more creativity there than on the WOTC Sith lords.
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TheHutts wrote:Quote:No where in my comments did I ever say anything about every beat has to be Tier 1, useful. But not tier 1. We get countless 60 plus point pieces for the sith that do nothing except fill space in a set list. You can try and argue with "Well this guy ran this and did this at this event" all you want. That's just the facts jack. I think most of the big v-set Sith Lords bring something useful and valuable to the table - not necessarily all Tier 1 tournament pieces, but all have their niches where they're useful. I certainly wouldn't underrate Lord Krayt - even though I think he could have been cheaper/and or got Force Renewal 2, MOTF2 and Transfer Essence is an uber powerful combination. Malgus' Face Your Destiny is nasty, Caedus's SBM is awesome, Darth Maul Sith Infiltrator is a nasty beatstick, Zannah is a tank, Revan's speed plus self swap is awesome - plenty of really good pieces to build around there. Certainly a lot more creativity there than on the WOTC Sith lords. Malgus' Face Your Destiny is nasty and one of the worst abilities ever created. I agree that Caedus is awesome. Well designed piece. I tip my hat to the designer who put in the time with him. Maul is cool but he's a Sep with affinity. Zannah is a huge NPE for a large majority of people. Soresu Mastery, and Lightsaber Combat Expert do not make for fun and enjoyable games. Revan is also another quality piece as I have already stated. I think the designers hit the nail on the head with Caedus and Revan. Like I have said, I hope the designers got Bane right. He deserves the attention. I'm just not holding my breath considering how many times I have been let down in the past, by pieces like Ragnos, Nihilus, Karness Murr, Malgus, Dessel, Zannah, etc. I hope I am wowed though. I agree with your points on Krayt, he could have been cheaper or got Renewal 2.
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IF this bane is anything like the rest of the pieces we've seen in this v-set, im expecting a flavor home run. He probably isn't going to be the end-all-be-all of sith lords, but my money is they picked a particular story or point in his profession, and fleshed out that particular rendition of Bane, rather than try to squish every angle into a 80-90 point piece. I could be wrong, but that seems like the direction i've been seeing in these newest stat designs.
I also feel like, while most of the Sith Faction's sith lords are indeed non-competitive, this is mainly due to their high prices. I don't blame the v-set team for that, it's what we'd been getting out of WOTC since day one. I think they're 1 character away from being playable in a competitive seeing, it's just pending the v-sets superior German technology. Whether we'll ever see such a piece before this game has the plug pulled on it's iron lung is yet to be seen, but i don't think its impossible that some of the sith pieces dating all the way back to Champions of the Force still have some potential life left in their tiny sweat-shop painted hearts.
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ScruffyHan,
Deri (fingersandteeth) did have a strong hand in designing the new Bane. Obviously we all gave input, but I'd say that the most credit goes to him on that. Likewise for Revan, SL from vset 1. Also he had a large hand in shaping Caedus SL, (with major input and credit due to Jake K from Chicago).
I don't believe he had much hand (if any at all) in the pieces you are holding up as examples of crap. (Unfair as those comparisons may be; Nihilus Lord of Hunger RULES in TILE WARS, Karness Muur is sick in King of the Ring, and Marka Ragnos is simply better than you give credit)
I agree that Zannah is a giant mess of NPEs that isn't really that good in the end, but we can't win them all. (Also a piece Deri had nothing to do with)
I only point this out to show that you apparently like Deri's work. Rightfully so - he's an excellent designer.
So let's have a little positivity here.
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Sith players made some noise last year in regionals and at GenCon. Other than the early Exar Kun builds, that never happened back in WotC days. Those of us attending regionals last year that didn't run Sith had to account for them in our builds for the first time in a long time. It looks like from my vantage point that the Vset designers are rebuilding the Sith base to bring them back into the competitive game. Certainly playing the Sith competitively you're not tied to one build type like Imperial players have been until recently.
Deri helped design the new Bane? That sentence alone gives me reason to eagerly anticipate his arrival.
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Yeah, I've had success with Marka Ragnos. He just plays counter to most Sith thinking. Sith Sorcery is the Sith activation control.
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COME ON BANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Bane is cool; I've already got at least one pretty nasty squad lined up with him. [And I'll give you a hint: it uses at least one Ugnaught Demolitionist!]
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thereisnotry wrote:Bane is cool; I've already got at least one pretty nasty squad lined up with him. [And I'll give you a hint: it uses at least one Ugnaught Demolitionist!] lol, dang, come on play group will be here tomorrow let's do this!!!
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droidadmiral wrote:thereisnotry wrote:Bane is cool; I've already got at least one pretty nasty squad lined up with him. [And I'll give you a hint: it uses at least one Ugnaught Demolitionist!] lol, dang, come on play group will be here tomorrow let's do this!!! You know I'd love to tell you, but they'd rip my arms off if I did.
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