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CCC Week 27 A Reformed Scoundrel: Lando (New Republic) Options
CerousMutor
Posted: Monday, February 3, 2014 6:52:24 AM
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AndyHatton's Lando Calrissian, Entrepreneur 9.5
Simple and sturdy, nothing too fancy, does what you want and could hold his own in a fight.


poppins88's Lando Calrissian in X-1 Viper Droid 9.5
Expensive, but makes use of unsed mini. All stats fit the bio-robot/cyborg feel.


Gungan Batman Clone's Lando Calrissian, Sly Industrialist 8.75
Rapport 5 seems a lot, but at his cost it balances out.IO is nice. I dont like the name for TGTMJBYD, dont think it fits the character, makes me thik of ESB


donnyrides' Lando Calrissian, Tendrando Arms Dealer 8.75
repaire and stealth are good on this. CE seems cluncky. Some kind of SA to grant Overload would have been tidier.


Lord_Ball's Lando Calrissian, New Republic Courier 9
Nice take on a swap piece, cant be suppressed, very clever. CE is clever, make your opponet use a suppresion piece or it gians a penalty.


saber1's Lando Calrissian, Arms Supplier 9
Reserves raised to 30 point is a nice choice. MC is scary but is agreat boost to YVHs, would need a good player to make good use of.
CE is nice, fits the strike team assault on Borleias


Deathwielded's Administrator 9
34 points, Very similar to mine in many respects. IO and TA are nice. Swap seems to be alomst a given now.

Great work all round!
The YHV boost and swap Lando seemed to be the flavour of the week. It's great to see so many different ideas on a similar theme.
I have to vote for Poppins88, I loved this when it popped up a few weeks ago, good to see it in the competition.


Also Deathweilded, I think you forgot me Confused Crying
Lord_Ball
Posted: Monday, February 3, 2014 7:00:32 AM
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CerousMutor- your Link doesn't work (looks like it has "http:http://" which is making it broken I'm sure)
here's a fixed link:




AndyHatton, Entrepreneur 8.75
Droid Mark is a cool addition, the CE is a bit underwhelming, overall fairly useful squad supplement piece - just the Role Lando is intended to be.

poppins88 in X-1 Viper Droid 9
Bonus points for going Huge! Missing Rigid, and I think I'd prefer a limited Troop Cart-esque ability over Con Artist since while it's been a while since I read the Dark Empire I believe there were a few characters in each X-1.

Gungan Batman Clone, Sly Industrialist 8.75
They Got to me Just Before You Did! should be simplified to Camaraderie since that's all it is really, but overall that whole idea seems rather unnecessary.

donnyrides, Tendrando Arms Dealer 9
Nice Boost to the YVH, though the CE could use some more work - perhaps rather than forgo LA have overload have a pawn of the Darkside effect - 20 damage at end of turn.

CerousMutor, YVH Strike Team Commander 8.75
not a fan of Hunter X I think Synergy (Droid allies whose name contains YVH get +4 attack and +10 Damage while an ally is within 6) would be a fitting alternative to the new ability.

saber1, Arms Dealer 9
Excellent CE. not a fan of Experimental Rifle Upgrade since Jolt can be gained from the Czerka without the drawback so a different bonus would've been preferred.

Administrator Deathwielded 9
You had a very similar Idea to mine which made me take a different approach to it so that they would be much different characters, I think Tendrando Arms, might be a bit over the top, but overal I Like it.


Vote goes to Deathwielded for similarities to a role that just seems to scream Lando
donnyrides
Posted: Monday, February 3, 2014 7:21:49 AM
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I'm a little grumpy after watching my Broncos get blown off the map last night.

AndyHatton's Lando Calrissian, Entrepreneur 8.5
For 30 points he is too powerful. dbl accurate opp for 30 damage with disruptive and a board-wide double hand out CE. It feels like too much for 30 points.

poppins88's Lando Calrissian in X-1 Viper Droid 8.5
If the CCC was to create any piece I would give it a 9.5 but I think using another minis stats and ability tree and throwing Lando inside of it doesn't make it a fair CCC piece (See what i mean about being grumpy? Cursing ) I love the outside the box thinking and I honesty love the piece but I can't give extra credit for using the X1. I know, I'm an ass.

Gungan Batman Clone's Lando Calrissian, Sly Industrialist 9
I like the reserves but I would prefer you had it to rolling an 11 or pick 2 numbers if you wanted. With your rapport -5 you can add 40 points of characters which is higher than the base cost of your Lando. I like the base stats and the YVH specialty though. YVHs need help to be viable. Independent outfit is a nice twist too.

Lord_Ball's Lando Calrissian, New Republic Courier 9.25
A switch ability.. can't be suppressed or extended and works with droids without all the card clutter saying its ok for driods. Weakens the CE version and I LOVE IT. Twin Mobile opp with your nice NRC I would normally gripe about the points, but since his D is 17 and he has no escape options, I think its pretty square. The CE is pretty specialized but I like how it is going to be just enough to make your lando unavailable to Wedge's evade. Which is probably why you just gave lando mobile instead. nice work

saber1's Lando Calrissian, Arms Supplier 8.75
A lot to take in. I'm glad you considered my comments on your piece's comment section and lowered the reserves ability. I really don't like give reserves 4 numbers to hit on. I like your cleaned up wording of MCC. Experimental Rifle Upgrade feels a bit out of place but it does add a factor of playability outside the realm of YVH droids.

Deathwielded's Administrator Lando Calrissian 9
I like that you limited your CE. the base stats seem about right. I think you could have gotten away with throwing in double attack to give this piece a little more end game value. Your Tendrando Arms ability is pretty crazy giving 5 handouts and no range.

CerousMutor's Lando Calrissian YVH Strike Team Commander 8.5
Like your reserves feature, not a fan of hunter x. His D is really low at 15.

My vote goes to Lord_Ball's Lando Calrissian, New Republic Courier

On a side note, does anybody think the "within 6" range feature is going to the wayside? I love using it as a way to dumb down a powerful ability and to keep the point value down.
CerousMutor
Posted: Monday, February 3, 2014 7:22:46 AM
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Lord_Ball wrote:
CerousMutor- your Link doesn't work (looks like it has "http:http://" which is making it broken I'm sure)
here's a fixed link:




CerousMutor, YVH Strike Team Commander 8.75
not a fan of Hunter X I think Synergy (Droid allies whose name contains YVH get +4 attack and +10 Damage while an ally is within 6) would be a fitting alternative to the new ability.



thanks LB.

I know, me neither, I was looking over it Saturday and I should have kept it neater, more simple. Ran out of time to go back and alter. Meh, oh well.
Deathwielded
Posted: Monday, February 3, 2014 7:43:39 AM
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Lord_Ball wrote:
CerousMutor- your Link doesn't work (looks like it has "http:http://" which is making it broken I'm sure)
here's a fixed link: [quote=CerousMutor]Lando Calrissian YVH Strike Team Commander


whoops! I was just looking for the blue links so I must missed yours! My bad I'm adding yours right now.
CerousMutor
Posted: Monday, February 3, 2014 10:28:08 AM
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donnyrides wrote:


On a side note, does anybody think the "within 6" range feature is going to the wayside? I love using it as a way to dumb down a powerful ability and to keep the point value down.


Depends on the ability.
I know I changed it slightly, but it is good to keep costs down.
AndyHatton
Posted: Monday, February 3, 2014 11:30:31 AM
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Lando Calrissian in X-1 Viper Droid poppins88 Cyborg should just probably be Mounted Weapon, not sure he needs both. Otherwise I like most everything else on here: 9

Lando Calrissian, Sly Industrialist Gungan Batman Clone I like the name and a lot of what he does...not 100% sold on the name of TGTMJBYD only because that is Pre-Rebel Lando not NR Lando...and I think it should only affect non-uniques without a Force Rating. But cool ideas all around. 9

Lando Calrissian, Tendrando Arms Dealer donnyrides not sure I like the 2nd part of the CE, not that it isn't a good idea I am just not sold on the wording of it. 8.5

Lando Calrissian, New Republic Courier Lord_Ball for the CE, why not hand out Droid Fanaticism instead of Savage? I know it is essentially the same but it just feels right thematically. At the same time YVH are already so good against Vong do they need that extra boost? I like the abilities on him, though I'd change the camaraderie wording to match OR or Mando Conscription. It is only a little different, but I think a bit cleaner. 8

Lando Calrissian, YVH Strike Team Commander CerousMutor Armor Upgrade is nice and I like the droid swap, but not sure how I feel about Hunter X and his stats are a little low 8.5

Administrator Lando Calrissian deathwielded I like the changes, I think it focuses him and makes him very useful. 9

Lando Calrissian, Arms Supplier saber1 I like pretty much everything about this piece...except for maybe MCC, still not 100% sold on it. 9.5

my vote goes to saber1
saber1
Posted: Monday, February 3, 2014 1:05:38 PM
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Lando Calrissian, Entrepreneur 8.5
by AndyHatton
The NR abounds in Disruptive options so Distraction might have been sufficiently different while still reflecting this aspect of the character’s nature. Droid Mark is a nice addition and unusual. Pilot isn’t much help while he wields a CE. BTW, I like the fact that the CE gives a needed boost to YVH. Given Accurate, Opp and Double Attack he looks to be priced too low.

Lando Calrissian in X-1 Viper Droid 9.25
by poppins88
As a fan of the Vipers (and Lando) I laud your originality and creativity here. Kudos on fun factor alone! Cyborg is a bit odd yet works. Con Artist feels the same. Deceptive is a nice touch. The CE will be nearly useless in 200 point skirmishes, but larger squads will benefit immensely.

Lando Calrissian, Sly Industrialist 8.5
by Gungan Batman Clone
First, very creative and apt subtitle. See Pilot comments above. I like the use of IDR for a Lando of the era, but without limitation to his types of Droids it seems a bit much. This issue is amplified by both his cost and the level of Rapport. Had it been limited to YVH Droids I think you would have nailed it. The CE adds more welcome incentive to play YVH. I like the use of Double and Opportunist with base 10 Damage for synergy with R2/3PO. Independent Outfit I am glad to see.

Lando Calrissian, Tendrando Arms Dealer 9
by donnyrides
I like the Reserves, though with only half the odds of IDR, I might not limit it to just YVH1. Repair, surprisingly, was a unique choice this week. Stealth is an interesting choice. See comment above about Double/base 10. The CE is cool but feels odd that the second benefit requires ignoring the first.

Lando Calrissian, New Republic Courier 9
by Lord Ball
See Pilot comment above. Twin/Opp/Mobile is a nice combination for Lando. The Camaraderie gives the YVH some sorely needed mobility. NRC offers a very useful mechanic, though it’s something I’ve always felt would be provided by the likes of Booster Terrik, not that it is necessarily out of place here. I’m not crazy about CEs affecting enemies, preferring rather it dole out a SA that does the same thing.

Lando Calrissian, Arms Supplier
by saber1
Just thought of a cool SA but obviously it is too late.
Programmable Orders (YVH allies within 6 squares are subject to allied commander effects)

Lando Calrissian, YVH Strike Team Commander 9.25
by CerousMutor
See Pilot comments above (getting repetitive!). YVHAD is a fun, thematic twist on IDR. Mobile/Evade is nice, though his damage output is meager for 29 points, even with Twin from R2/3PO. Armor Upgrade is cool and very useful. Tailored for Your Needs could have been simpler but it’s effective. I like the mobility derived for the YVH. Swap them back and forth or in/out for a big shooter/beatstick.

Administrator Lando Calrissian 9
by Deathweilded
See Pilot comments blah, blah, blah. Gregarious! I can’t believe it wasn’t seen more often this week. IO is a very good choice and I like the Synergy, interesting that it applies to all Droid allies. Tendrando Arms is stacked to the roof. I might drop Melee Duelist, relying on DR10 and their innate Laminanium Armor for survivability. The limited Panaka/Thrawn CE is handy (see notes above).

I’m quite torn between poppins88’s entry and the work of CerousMutor. On the one hand, I quite like the X-1 Vipers and with Lando it looks quite fun. On the other, CM’s offering offers robust boosts to the YVH Droids. I am a fan of them as well and feel their official versions need some help. This week, my vote goes to poppins88.
AndyHatton
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saber1 wrote:
Lando Calrissian, Entrepreneur Pilot isn’t much help while he wields a CE.


Why do you say that? The only Pilot CE I can think he doesn't qualify for in the NR is Jagged's. He can get Kyp's, Tycho's, and (if you bring him in) Dutch's
saber1
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AndyHatton wrote:
saber1 wrote:
Lando Calrissian, Entrepreneur Pilot isn’t much help while he wields a CE.


Why do you say that? The only Pilot CE I can think he doesn't qualify for in the NR is Jagged's. He can get Kyp's, Tycho's, and (if you bring him in) Dutch's


I was thinking of Jag and the Klatooinian Captain. You are right, though. I forgot about Kyp and Dutch. My apologies to everyone with Pilot on their submissions. It was a bonehead move on my part though I can honestly say that my scoring results remain unaffected.
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AndyHatton's Lando Calrissian, Entrepeneur - 9
I like him, simple and effective with everything fitting Lando.

Gungan Batman Clone's Lando Calrissian, Sly Industrialist - 8.75
I really like the approach you took helping YVHs with the CE and granting Independent Outfit, but a 20% at scoring 30 points of droids makes him seems a bit undercosted to me.

donnyrides' Lando Calrissian, Tendrando Arms Dealer - 9

I like the choice between Armor and Overload in the CE. Also, your criticism of my entry is totally fair, I just wanted to enter something a little different than the Vong War based Landos.

Lord_Ball's Lando Calrissian, New Republic Courier - 9.25
NR Courier is fun, and the CE is very representative of YVH tactics, although it will not be useful all that often.

saber1's Lando Calrissian, Arms Supplier - 9.25
CE is very YVH, but Modular Combat Chassis is even more creative. 30 points of reserves that are easy to get worry me a little, but the YVH restriction helps.

CerousMutor's Lando Calrissian's YVH Strike Team Commander - 8.75
I like most of it, especially the swap, but I dislike Hunter X.

Deathwielded's Administrator Lando Calrissian - 9.25

Plenty of Vong help here, and it all fits. The limited swap and Gregarious fit Lando perfectly as well.

Tough choice between Lord_Ball, saber1 and Deathwielded's entries, but Deathwielded gets my vote this week
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AndyHatton's Lando Calrissian, Entrepreneur 8.75,9,9.5,8.75,8.5,8.5,9 for an average of 8.85714


poppins88's Lando Calrissian in X-1 Viper Droid 9,9.5,9.5,9,8.5,9,9.25 BlooMilk BlooMilk for an average of 9.10714


Gungan Batman Clone's Lando Calrissian, Sly Industrialist 9,8.75,8.75,9,9,8.5,8.75 for an average of 8.82143


donnyrides' Lando Calrissian, Tendrando Arms Dealer 9,9,8.75,9,8.5,9,9 for an average of 8.89286


Lord_Ball's Lando Calrissian, New Republic Courier 9.25,9,9,9.25,8,9,9.25 BlooMilk for an average of 8.96429


saber1's Lando Calrissian, Arms Supplier 9.5,9.5,9,9,8.75,9.5,9.25 BlooMilk BlooMilk for an average of 9.21429 and since this is the highest rated one in this contest you get the bonus 2BlooMilk BlooMilk for a total of 4


CerousMutor's Lando Calrissian, YVH Strike Team Commander 9.5,9,8.75,8.5,8.5,9.25,8.75 for an average of 8.89286


Deathwielded's Administrator Lando Calrissian 9,9,9,9,9,9,9.25 BlooMilk BlooMilk for an average of 9.03571

Saber1 is our winner this week! Congrats!
Deathwielded
Posted: Monday, February 3, 2014 8:49:26 PM
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Man, so close again!Laugh I guess with competition like this *cough* *cough* Saber1 *cough* *cough* I can't get a winning spot anymore.Smile

Lol.

I really wanted to do a Jedi Exile, but that will have to wait until I impress enough people. Thanks for you guys that voted for my entry! It seems to me that overloading Tendrando Arms was my downfall.ThumbDown
CerousMutor
Posted: Tuesday, February 4, 2014 1:14:49 AM
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Congrats saber1.BlooMilk
Frustrated with my entry last week, so close to being perfect but a gulf away in the end.
donnyrides
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Great job Saber1. ThumbsUp ThumbsUp
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Interesting contest, I will participate in the next one as well. Starting today?
AndyHatton
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General_Grievous wrote:
Interesting contest, I will participate in the next one as well. Starting today?


A new thread should be posted today with the new character.
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General_Grievous wrote:
Interesting contest, I will participate in the next one as well. Starting today?


ThumbsUp
Lord_Ball
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Congrats to saber1 on another fine custom.


AndyHatton wrote:
Lando Calrissian, New Republic Courier Lord_Ball for the CE, why not hand out Droid Fanaticism instead of Savage? I know it is essentially the same but it just feels right thematically. At the same time YVH are already so good against Vong do they need that extra boost? I like the abilities on him, though I'd change the camaraderie wording to match OR or Mando Conscription. It is only a little different, but I think a bit cleaner. 8


The CE is largely for theme, but as far as Droid Fanaticism goes that ability is actually far stronger. The CE on Lando ends up being kind of like a melee version of Draw Fire, since it's only within 6 the Vong still get to move and attack. Also reworded Camaraderie to be more like Jaster Mereel's Synergy for Jango.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 4, 2014 8:23:28 AM
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Thanks everyone. The number of very close votes is a testament to the depth of talent in this group. I think this coming week's theme will prove this even further.
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