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DARPH NADER
Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2015 2:17:47 PM
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To the entire design team...

My thanks to all ya'll for your hard work and I owe each of you a frosty adult beverage the next time we meet for aiding FrostyCon with the early PDF release!

BlooMilk
Sthlrd2
Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2015 2:51:41 PM
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DARPH NADER wrote:
To the entire design team...

My thanks to all ya'll for your hard work and I owe each of you a frosty adult beverage the next time we meet for aiding FrostyCon with the early PDF release!

BlooMilk


HaHa, Yes!!! I am going to hold you to that.
SignerJ
Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2015 3:03:06 PM
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Thank you, design team!
Echo24
Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2015 3:36:50 PM
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DARPH NADER wrote:
To the entire design team...

My thanks to all ya'll for your hard work and I owe each of you a frosty adult beverage the next time we meet for aiding FrostyCon with the early PDF release!

BlooMilk


I'll take it, but you have to give one to Deri also, he's the man that got the PDF done.
Deaths_Baine
Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:21:52 PM
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few questions:


do piece/pieces brought in through placed order count as gambit/score victory points?

Victory without war- do you have an option at all if you are at full hitpoints?

Why do we have the possibility for a sith Kenobi, and not a vader?

Amphistaff- does it stop things like new boba's bait and switch or decoy if the attack would kill them (I am assuming it would not stop it), and I guess it does nothing to stop death shots, since it says special abilities not commander effects correct?
Echo24
Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:52:47 PM
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Placed Order functions like Reinforcements. The pieces don't grant VP or collect Gambit.

You can choose to make the save even without damage, yes.

Bait and Switch does not trigger on defeat, so "would be defeated" doesn't apply. Amphistaff does not effect CEs.
FlyingArrow
Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2015 6:08:45 PM
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Deaths_Baine wrote:

Why do we have the possibility for a sith Kenobi, and not a vader?


Obi was evil.
AndyHatton
Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2015 6:12:53 PM
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FlyingArrow wrote:
Deaths_Baine wrote:

Why do we have the possibility for a sith Kenobi, and not a vader?


Obi was evil.


FROM MY POINT OF VIEW THE JEDI ARE EVIL
SignerJ
Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2015 6:26:54 PM
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AndyHatton wrote:
FlyingArrow wrote:
[quote=Deaths_Baine]
Why do we have the possibility for a sith Kenobi, and not a vader?


Obi was evil.


Obi did hint at his true loyalties in Episode III: "Only Sith deal in absolutes."
Echo24
Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2015 6:32:59 PM
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I never did trust that beard of his....

The lack of a Sith Vader has a lot to do with the fact that he isn't really requested. In the "What do you want to see" thread for set 9, he was suggested exactly once. Add that to the fact that it isn't that compelling of a concept (at what point was Vader Sith and not Imperial?), and it just hasn't made the list. Imperial Luke, Sith Bastila, Rebel Dash, Rebel Kyle, Mandalorian Obi, etc. all correspond with a specific time frame or event in the character's story arc. Sith Vader doesn't.
pegolego
Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2015 6:59:40 PM
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Echo24 wrote:
I never did trust that beard of his....

The lack of a Sith Vader has a lot to do with the fact that he isn't really requested. In the "What do you want to see" thread for set 9, he was suggested exactly once. Add that to the fact that it isn't that compelling of a concept (at what point was Vader Sith and not Imperial?), and it just hasn't made the list. Imperial Luke, Sith Bastila, Rebel Dash, Rebel Kyle, Mandalorian Obi, etc. all correspond with a specific time frame or event in the character's story arc. Sith Vader doesn't.


Good points. Though I like to think of the Sith Vader as maybe during Episode III, pre-suit, before the Empire has REALLY been established, rather as he becomes the 2nd part of the rule of two and begins eliminating it's opponents.

Just my excuse to make a powerful pre-suit Vader and Sith Vader, though lol. LOL
Echo24
Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2015 7:04:04 PM
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Yeah but there is already that Vader. In fact, WotC made him at that point TWICE, in RotS and MotF. Both times he was Imperial.
TheHutts
Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2015 7:09:57 PM
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There was a huge thread about having a v-set Sith Vader at some point - maybe late 2010? I've been trying to Google it, and couldn't find it?
obiwan1knight
Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2015 7:16:58 PM
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Thank you V-Set designers! It looks like a really great set. I have to say that when I first joined Bloomilk I was adamantly against the V-sets, (And was probably a little annoying about it, my apologies) But I really appreciate your hard work that goes into this.

Keep doing what you do!
Echo24
Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2015 7:54:01 PM
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TheHutts wrote:
There was a huge thread about having a v-set Sith Vader at some point - maybe late 2010? I've been trying to Google it, and couldn't find it?


This one? http://www.bloomilk.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=8764
AndyHatton
Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2015 7:54:31 PM
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Echo24 wrote:
Yeah but there is already that Vader. In fact, WotC made him at that point TWICE, in RotS and MotF. Both times he was Imperial.


Both those Vaders seemed very assault on Jedi Temple to me (and I never liked that they were both Imperial, I feel like one of them should have been Sith, they both have SITH in the name for goodness sake!) But I think you could do a straight Duel on Mustafar Sith Vader.

Or a new Sith Sidious that has affinity for the more inexpensive Vader/Anakins could be a nice (Republic or Imperial to represent tempting him to the Dark Side)

TheHutts wrote:
There was a huge thread about having a v-set Sith Vader at some point - maybe late 2010? I've been trying to Google it, and couldn't find it?


Here is another thread dealing with the topic
http://www.bloomilk.com/Forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=8770


Darn I was just one page off of the one Echo found!
Deaths_Baine
Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:20:23 PM
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Echo24 wrote:
Placed Order functions like Reinforcements. The pieces don't grant VP or collect Gambit.

You can choose to make the save even without damage, yes.

Bait and Switch does not trigger on defeat, so "would be defeated" doesn't apply. Amphistaff does not effect CEs.





thnx for answers. by the way, the imperial missionary is a really cool piece.
jen'ari
Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:21:03 PM
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Echo24 wrote:
I never did trust that beard of his....

The lack of a Sith Vader has a lot to do with the fact that he isn't really requested. In the "What do you want to see" thread for set 9, he was suggested exactly once. Add that to the fact that it isn't that compelling of a concept (at what point was Vader Sith and not Imperial?), and it just hasn't made the list. Imperial Luke, Sith Bastila, Rebel Dash, Rebel Kyle, Mandalorian Obi, etc. all correspond with a specific time frame or event in the character's story arc. Sith Vader doesn't.


And where do we find the Sith Kenobi in the verse? The mere idea that Kenobi can be a sith is literally appalling. I know it will never be played, ever. its still silly.

I have always had a problem with there not being a Sith Vader, here are some WotC Vader piece names.

Darth Vader, SITH apprentice
Darth Vader, Champion of the SITH
my personal favorite
Darth Vader, SITH LORD

It seems to me that WotC knew he was a Sith. i do not see why there is any question at all.


ok, rant is over.

I love the republic commando, jind accurate / jolt is sweet!
Pinpoint attacks is also a really cool ability.
I also like the noghri or ruhk coming to NR! wish i thought of that BigGrin
I also really like the catapult and love the idea of choosing a square for those types of abilities and the blow up doors idea is really cool. I wish other abilities did that as well
juice man
Posted: Friday, January 23, 2015 8:28:34 AM
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Swinefeld is fast! Blink ThumbsUp
Echo24
Posted: Friday, January 23, 2015 8:30:02 AM
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More like Swinefeld helps QC the V-sets, so he gets to see everything as it's being made and is awesome enough to put stuff in the Bloomilk database as it gets finished. BigGrin
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