So, I had a GMLS vs GMLS fight last night and I wanted to be sure I played it out right. So, as long as both lukes keep maing their saves they could theoretically fight forever right? Even though both took enough damage to die, djem so interupts the sequence before the damage is actually applied and the characters defeated. One probably wouldn't do this, but it could occur, right?

One luke(luke1) ran up to the other and hit with the first twin, and the other luke (luke2) makes his djem so save, hits back. Luke1 makes his djem so, stopping luke2's second attack from the first djem so. So this goes on for a while until luke2 dies, however he's not really dead until djem so is resolved, right? Now, do all the djem so have to be resolved before the piece(s) are defeated? There being a bunch of twins left from each time the djem so was interrupted by the other djem so. We played it out for a while until each luke had taken over 200 HPs in damage b/c we could. Did we do that right?

I guess my question comes down to what happens to a twin off djem so since it interrupts the original attack if the character was defeated by the first of the djem so. Normally if you have twin and you attack some one you have to make the twin, it's not optional, right? Unless the chracter is defeated on the first attack, then you lose the twin. But you don't lose the twin with the djem so since damage isn't really applied until the djem so is resolved fully. So, once you commit to making that first attack of the djem so, you have to make the second no matter what right because the twin isn't optional right?

Sorry if this is worded confusingly, I'm having trouble discribing my question appropriately.

Or if they make the djem so save, but decided not to attack?

So, I want to make sure I got this right. Say an uggie ran up to luke and hit luke with a crit. Luke makes his djem so save and decides to attack back. If the first attack lands (95% sure it will), the uggie is dead, but luke still has to make his second attack at the dead uggie because the way djem so interrupts?

Incorrect. You do not get Dark Armor against any attack with a lightsaber. Does not mention anything about having to be adjacent.

Sincerely,
Jester007

Anyone else go back through this thread and read it from start to finish. I officially hate Djem So Style (and Mastery, and being able to Twin off of it)...

No, it doesn't. Dark Armor says attacks with lightsabers ignore the special ability, so as long as someone with a lightsaber is attacking you, you can't use Dark Armor. Doesn't matter whether your opponent gets attack bonuses or where they come from.

Ok, I get it now. Thanks. Some days I'm slower than normal.

GML will get Twin if Anakin doesn't take enough damage to become defeated.

Here's how the interaction works:

Anakin targets GML with an attack (Step 5).

For simplicity sake there's nothing that can interrupt this like Draw Fire, Pheromones, etc. (so Step 6 is inconcequential).

Anakin makes the attack and rolls (Step 7).

If there is an ability that is triggered when someone is attacked (like Sonic Attack), they are triggered here. (Step 8).

Determine the attack roll result with any special effects like Betrayal, Disintegration, etc. but do not apply them just yet. (Step 9).

Now let's say Anakin scores a hit. GML now has a couple of things he can do. First, he MUST roll for his DSSM. Then he can also use Lightsaber Defense. Let's say he doesn't use the power and rolls for DSSM and he made a successful save, he now gets to make an immediate attack. (Step 10). So now you start a new series of attacks (and GML would get Twin while using DSSM) at Step 5 while still keeping in mind that GML has been hit and will be taking damage.

Step 11 are for abilities triggerred when a character takes damage (things like Bodyguard, Molecular Shielding, Damage Reduction, etc.).

Step 12 is where you add up and apply damage, and also where you resolve Disintegration. You also determine if the character is defeated (Avoid Defeat saves are now made on this step too).

Step 13 takes care of things like Impulsive Shot/Sweep, Self-Destruct, Cleave, Rolling Cleave, etc.

Defeated characters are removed from the battle grid (Step 14).

Non-damaging effects are now done for things like activation saves, Force Push/Repulse movement, etc. (Step 15).

Twin attack now happens. So return to step 5 and go through everything (Step 16).


So it can happen that if someone does enough damage to his target, they will not be able to get Twin off. So the fight between Anakin and GML pretty much will go until someone fails their Djem So save. The damage from the Djem So attacks just keep pilling up until someone misses the save or until someone decides not to attack with a successful Djem So save.

I used a die for each Luke to keep track of the number of attacks left. I found that worked just fine for us.

Here is a fun way to kill GMLS: you move Mistryl Shadow Guard to within 2 and make an attack and hit, (assuming luke fails his saves against Paralysis) he is now activated, then you run up with vader and start beating on him (now we assume that both vader and GMLS make all their DSS saves) they hit back and forth until your vader has done enough damage to kill GML and then you stop. Now we have about 150-200 damage waiting to resolve, well instead of letting vader take it you have Mistryl Shadow Guard take all vaders damage and vader survives with out a scratch while GMLS dies a painful death. (of course you could pair GMLS with MSG as well but thats alot of points)

i just apply the damage as it hits. it creates alot of back and forth with both Djem So's, but its easier for me to track.
i do not see Vader beating GMLS, even with a MSG, or 2 for that matter.