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billiv15 wrote:Uggie Demo wrote:Eroschilles wrote:I think the point of this thread is not only to admonish the offending party, but to let others know that may have been deceived by this kid's antics. He says he didn't pm any one besides dean, actually he said dean pm'd him first when he was under his User name, I'm not sure what was said in the pms but all I know is that he and dean were pming each other. So either he is lying to you as well, or you are lying for him. Honestly, given what I know of you, either is quite plausible. I asked him to stop via PM as well, so if he says it was only Dean, that's an all out lie. Point of the thread is to warn people that the two of you are engaging in behavior that is detrimental to the community. It doesn't matter what your ages are, you need to learn this is not acceptable. And neither is leaving Vassal games 5 minutes in because you are losing. "Burning" as you called it, is not applicable here. "Burning or flaming" is when you are staring fights with someone on the internet simple to argue, or to call them names and other insults using the annominity of the net as your protection. That is not the case here. It is a very legitimate thing to warn others that the two of you are engaging in these behaviors. Personally, given that you lied to me before about quitting a game, I don't really believe most of what you say. So pardon me if you aren't high on my list of trusted children. Respect is earned and burned, you guys are burning it up fast. Making new screen names is a major issue as well, especially when you were using it to do stupid things. I suggest the two of you leave the internet alone for a while and come back when you are capable of respecting others. This isn't meant to be a playground where you get to mess with other people. That was like 3 months ago, and I didn't lie, I left the game because my dad needed me then we left my house, so I apolygize once more for that, and also I didn't I repeat I didn't smuf any body! after me and rannkonar finished are game I left vassal. only to figure out that he had been smurfing people and I'm getting in trouble for it, like I said, I was told by him that he pm'd dean and thats was it, so now that you tell me this I believe you, he probably did more then he said. Just please stop blamming me for something he did.
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and if he started acting like a fool under my user name, then we are going to have a BIG problem.
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LOL ! Awesome joke, i can't believe it...
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Awesome isn't quite the word I would use to describe this...
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Uggie Demo wrote:
That was like 3 months ago, and I didn't lie, I left the game because my dad needed me then we left my house, so I apolygize once more for that, and also I didn't I repeat I didn't smuf any body! after me and rannkonar finished are game I left vassal.
only to figure out that he had been smurfing people and I'm getting in trouble for it,
like I said, I was told by him that he pm'd dean and thats was it, so now that you tell me this I believe you, he probably did more then he said. Just please stop blamming me for something he did.
Can you explain the other 3 times in the last couple of months that you have "left" games as soon as you lose a piece? Also, I have PMs that show you were still online for another 35 minutes, in fact you pmed me twice in that time frame, which means not only were you "checking your Pms" as you claimed, but taking the time to read them and respond. So no, I don't believe you. All I am doing is warning people not to play you on Vassal, or if they do, to recognize that you are likely to leave as soon as you are losing and they will have wasted their time setting it all up. It's also a tool to show you that people know what you are doing, and that you can change this behavior. Using the "I didn't do it" excuse isn't going to work. You need to prove to people this is not the case. If it were isolated, that would be one thing. But you have done this repeatedly. And no one is blaming you specifically for smurfing, I am blaming you for lying, for leaving Vassal games repeatedly, and so on. You can fix all of this, just stop doing it. If you think your "dad is gonna make you get off" don't ask for a game. Sorry, but I find it hard to believe that everytime you are losing a game, immediately, your dad needs you off the computer. You need to act a little more mature here, that's all.
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billiv15 wrote:Uggie Demo wrote:
That was like 3 months ago, and I didn't lie, I left the game because my dad needed me then we left my house, so I apolygize once more for that, and also I didn't I repeat I didn't smuf any body! after me and rannkonar finished are game I left vassal.
only to figure out that he had been smurfing people and I'm getting in trouble for it,
like I said, I was told by him that he pm'd dean and thats was it, so now that you tell me this I believe you, he probably did more then he said. Just please stop blamming me for something he did.
Can you explain the other 3 times in the last couple of months that you have "left" games as soon as you lose a piece? Also, I have PMs that show you were still online for another 35 minutes, in fact you pmed me twice in that time frame, which means not only were you "checking your Pms" as you claimed, but taking the time to read them and respond. So no, I don't believe you. All I am doing is warning people not to play you on Vassal, or if they do, to recognize that you are likely to leave as soon as you are losing and they will have wasted their time setting it all up. It's also a tool to show you that people know what you are doing, and that you can change this behavior. Using the "I didn't do it" excuse isn't going to work. You need to prove to people this is not the case. If it were isolated, that would be one thing. But you have done this repeatedly. And no one is blaming you specifically for smurfing, I am blaming you for lying, for leaving Vassal games repeatedly, and so on. You can fix all of this, just stop doing it. If you think your "dad is gonna make you get off" don't ask for a game. Sorry, but I find it hard to believe that everytime you are losing a game, immediately, your dad needs you off the computer. You need to act a little more mature here, that's all. May God forgive this child.
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If you were me you would understand, but sence I'm not an adult I cannot just disobey my dad and just stay on the Computer all day long, so I'm sorry if I have ever left you or anyone else on vassal, also I do believe I say now: I may need to leave at any moment before I start a game, to who ever I'm playing against.
I will never start a game on vassal again unless I'm playing with a friend that knows me or I now my family wont need any thing from me. Ok no one is saying i'am a smufer, I just didn't like it that dean said "they think it is a mature way to act" when really I was just playing a game with one of my friends and got off.
So I will say this one more time:
I apolyzie to Dean
I apolygize to Bill for leaving you on vassal(same to Dean)
I'am sorry to anyone else who I have left them on vassal, it will never happen again.
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I'am at a deadend, because I have no clue what so ever what happen after I left.
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Uggie Demo wrote:billiv15 wrote:Uggie Demo wrote:Eroschilles wrote:I think the point of this thread is not only to admonish the offending party, but to let others know that may have been deceived by this kid's antics. He says he didn't pm any one besides dean, actually he said dean pm'd him first when he was under his User name, I'm not sure what was said in the pms but all I know is that he and dean were pming each other. So either he is lying to you as well, or you are lying for him. Honestly, given what I know of you, either is quite plausible. I asked him to stop via PM as well, so if he says it was only Dean, that's an all out lie. Point of the thread is to warn people that the two of you are engaging in behavior that is detrimental to the community. It doesn't matter what your ages are, you need to learn this is not acceptable. And neither is leaving Vassal games 5 minutes in because you are losing. "Burning" as you called it, is not applicable here. "Burning or flaming" is when you are staring fights with someone on the internet simple to argue, or to call them names and other insults using the annominity of the net as your protection. That is not the case here. It is a very legitimate thing to warn others that the two of you are engaging in these behaviors. Personally, given that you lied to me before about quitting a game, I don't really believe most of what you say. So pardon me if you aren't high on my list of trusted children. Respect is earned and burned, you guys are burning it up fast. Making new screen names is a major issue as well, especially when you were using it to do stupid things. I suggest the two of you leave the internet alone for a while and come back when you are capable of respecting others. This isn't meant to be a playground where you get to mess with other people. That was like 3 months ago, and I didn't lie, I left the game because my dad needed me then we left my house, so I apolygize once more for that, and also I didn't I repeat I didn't smuf any body! after me and rannkonar finished are game I left vassal. only to figure out that he had been smurfing people and I'm getting in trouble for it, like I said, I was told by him that he pm'd dean and thats was it, so now that you tell me this I believe you, he probably did more then he said. Just please stop blamming me for something he did. Uggie, No one has blamed you for anything. It was simply stated the guy is your friend (which might mean you could have better judgement about your friends ) but that is it. I will say that when you play a game instead of leaving the minute something goes wrong you should play it out. It would make you a better player. Stick around and learn. Ask your opponent questions like what could I have done better to play this game or this squad. I know BIll and I would gladly help. But that is up to you. No one I have seen has accused you of smurfing.
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No one accused him directly, but there was some implication of guilt by association going on.
Uggie, there is the valid point that if you are leaving games early just because you are losing, that is very unsportsman-like and detremental to improving you gaming capabilities. We are not you, and don't know the reasons why you would leave a game early. I've had impatient parents before, and I assume others have as well, so I can empathize with that. You don't have to avoid playing people other than your friends, just be more conscientious about trying your best to play the game out to its finish.
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I think Uggie Demo is a good child. But shouldn't we ban Rankonnar? He seems more dangerous than GOWK 
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@Eroschilles: Ok I will try that, thanks for understading, and my parents are not impaitent, they just most of the time need my help with stuff around the house, and that can take a while.
@Dean: I dont leave because I'am losing, I really enjoy playing the game, I just dont want people on vassal to go "oh no! it's that uggie demo guy! he leaves your games once he starts losing, I'm just going to ignore his pms" but if you will help me out with my gaming skill that would be great. :)
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billiv15 wrote:Uggie Demo wrote:Eroschilles wrote:I think the point of this thread is not only to admonish the offending party, but to let others know that may have been deceived by this kid's antics. He says he didn't pm any one besides dean, actually he said dean pm'd him first when he was under his User name, I'm not sure what was said in the pms but all I know is that he and dean were pming each other. So either he is lying to you as well, or you are lying for him. Honestly, given what I know of you, either is quite plausible. I asked him to stop via PM as well, so if he says it was only Dean, that's an all out lie. Point of the thread is to warn people that the two of you are engaging in behavior that is detrimental to the community. It doesn't matter what your ages are, you need to learn this is not acceptable. And neither is leaving Vassal games 5 minutes in because you are losing. "Burning" as you called it, is not applicable here. "Burning or flaming" is when you are staring fights with someone on the internet simple to argue, or to call them names and other insults using the annominity of the net as your protection. That is not the case here. It is a very legitimate thing to warn others that the two of you are engaging in these behaviors. Personally, given that you lied to me before about quitting a game, I don't really believe most of what you say. So pardon me if you aren't high on my list of trusted children. Respect is earned and burned, you guys are burning it up fast. Making new screen names is a major issue as well, especially when you were using it to do stupid things. I suggest the two of you leave the internet alone for a while and come back when you are capable of respecting others. This isn't meant to be a playground where you get to mess with other people. man billiv, that's a pretty serious accusation, not being very nice are we? your all like- "oh well your just a little liar uggie, now let me give a long boring story about what this thread is about and did i mention that that i don't like you uggie?"
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krux wrote:I think Uggie Demo is a good child. But shouldn't we ban Rankonnar? He seems more dangerous than GOWK i agree with you man, but i'd watch who you call child, unless you want to be viewed as old, i mean OLD.
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Hello Dean and all. I would like to first of all address the "Smurfing" incident.
I am Rann Konnar's father. (Pauses for dramatic effect-nah didn't quite match the effect of Luke finding out that Vader was his dad...still....)
On a serious note, I have dealt with the problem, and I can assure anyone and everyone that my son will not do anything like that again.
A few things to note:
1. He is an 11 year old boy who made a mistake, and it's one that he already regrets. I know I did some boneheaded things worse than this when I was 11, (not excusing it only saying that please understand this is a kid we're talking about here not a mass murderer)
2. The day that it happened was the first time I had ever allowed him to play a game on Vassal. Well needless to say that won't be happening again for sometime. I am not sure where he got the idea to try and use someone else's name for kicks.
3. I do not take impersonating someone in real life or on the internet lightly, and think it is no laughing matter. Again he has been disciplined and also grounded from using the computer indefinitely.
4. He will not be using any other names on Bloomilk when and if I allow him to get back on Bloomilk.
5. I know several of these other boys quite well, Uggie Demo being one of them, and I know their families. They are good kids who come from good families.
I have also sent my own private PM to Dean apologizing for my son's behavior, and my boy would love the opportunity to say sorry as well.
Ok I hope that officially closes this matter and please if any other issues to do with RannKonnar please send me a PM and make me aware so that I can address them!
Thanks a lot!
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Uggie Demo wrote:If you were me you would understand, but sence I'm not an adult I cannot just disobey my dad and just stay on the Computer all day long, so I'm sorry if I have ever left you or anyone else on vassal, also I do believe I say now: I may need to leave at any moment before I start a game, to who ever I'm playing against.
I will never start a game on vassal again unless I'm playing with a friend that knows me or I now my family wont need any thing from me. Ok no one is saying i'am a smufer, I just didn't like it that dean said "they think it is a mature way to act" when really I was just playing a game with one of my friends and got off.
So I will say this one more time:
I apolyzie to Dean
I apolygize to Bill for leaving you on vassal(same to Dean)
I'am sorry to anyone else who I have left them on vassal, it will never happen again. Being a close friend of his family and knowing Uggie Demo and his dad (I'm actually their pastor), I can honestly say I believe that he's telling the truth about not leaving games just because he is losing. The computer they have is located in his parents bedroom, and if his dad tells him to get off, trust me he'd better listen. :P
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Topher_Champion_Of_The_Force wrote:dude you gotta know uggie wasn't in on it,
he called me today to talk about it.
i happen to know both uggie and rankhonnar.
rankhonnar's like 12 and he's always pullin crap
on this site, and i guess he broadened his scope
today to annoy people on vassal. he has like 4
accounts on bloomilk and is a real pest.
if your handin out apologies, you need to give one
to Uggie, he had nothin to do with it. In the future please let me know if he does anything like this again. You know how to reach me. Thanks! Kevin
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luke hates thrawn wrote:I was smurfed too, I would not have known if I hadn't talked to Uggie...... Topher you got smurfed too...RANNKONAR!!! IT'S TIME TO STOP! FIRST I REVEAL THAT YOU ARE USERNAME "SILLYBOY" THE SAME ONE WHO RAN AROUND GIVING 1'S TO PEOPLE'S SQUADS, AKA 'SQUAD RATING KILLER". AND NOW THIS!...QUIT!
thats all the caps. for today. If someone impersonated you it was not RannKonnar. The incident with Dean was a one time thing and I have been over and over this with my son. He's sworn to the point of tears that he did impersonate anyone other than Dean and that he eventually did stop when he realized that Dean did not find it very funny. You should be more careful about assuming the worst of someone. I will also not be allowing him to use any other names on Bloomilk when and if he returns to using this site. Thanks. Kevin
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KevinR wrote:Hello Dean and all. I would like to first of all address the "Smurfing" incident.
I am Rann Konnar's father. (Pauses for dramatic effect-nah didn't quite match the effect of Luke finding out that Vader was his dad...still....)
On a serious note, I have dealt with the problem, and I can assure anyone and everyone that my son will not do anything like that again.
A few things to note:
1. He is an 11 year old boy who made a mistake, and it's one that he already regrets. I know I did some boneheaded things worse than this when I was 11, (not excusing it only saying that please understand this is a kid we're talking about here not a mass murderer)
2. The day that it happened was the first time I had ever allowed him to play a game on Vassal. Well needless to say that won't be happening again for sometime. I am not sure where he got the idea to try and use someone else's name for kicks.
3. I do not take impersonating someone in real life or on the internet lightly, and think it is no laughing matter. Again he has been disciplined and also grounded from using the computer indefinitely.
4. He will not be using any other names on Bloomilk when and if I allow him to get back on Bloomilk.
5. I know several of these other boys quite well, Uggie Demo being one of them, and I know their families. They are good kids who come from good families.
I have also sent my own private PM to Dean apologizing for my son's behavior, and my boy would love the opportunity to say sorry as well.
Ok I hope that officially closes this matter and please if any other issues to do with RannKonnar please send me a PM and make me aware so that I can address them!
Thanks a lot! Kevin, Wow I had no idea that was your son. I knew about your older son but no clue. As a father of four kids (3 of them being boys) I could tell a million stories of their antics. The fact is good kids do dumb things. If this is the dumbest thing ever done by your child then his life will be great. Honestly I brought this matter to the attention of the boards not to get him in trouble but to make him face this thing and learn from it. We had a similar situation about 3 years ago with a young man doing the same thing. His parents were not involved with minis so had no clue. So we busted him out on the boards and the community kind of forced him to act like a mature gamer from there on out. I am glad to know that his dad is involved in minis with him. As the father of a 22 year old (him being the oldest player in the house) I know that Star Wars minis really keeps dads involved with their kids so that alone makes it a great thing. I really dont want the boy to be grounded for his actions though. What I want is him to be a responsible and courteous gamer (which I am sure knowing you that is what you are teaching) and would like to see him continue to play (as himself of course). Thanks Kevin for coming on here and addressing this. I know it is not something parents want to have to do. I remember going to see middle sons teacher when he was is second grade because he had decided to get cute with a hot dog weinie at school. That was a great day for me let me tell ya. I consider this matter closed also Kevin knowing that you are the dad and glad that as a community and in this forum something like this can be handled. Your apology is not needed though and as far as your son goes his is accepted wholeheartedly. Thanks for the communication and I look forward to seeing you on vassal again.
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I am sorry for the bad info that I posted about Rann, I'm going to talk to my source about it. as dean said if thats his worst moment than he'll have good life, I've done things much worse. I hope to see him at the release so I can tell him how sorry I am.  I hope to see you guys at the next Dawn Patrol event 
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