I voted for increasing his cost to prevent Lobot, but I am not really a fan of the design of the piece in general.

I hate Lobot and anything that has use only when used with him. I hate over complicated abilities. I hate hard counters to squads. I hate pieces that sit in the back and do nothing except ruin your opponent's day (F*** Bastilla).

I gotta say, I have loved pretty much the entire rest of this set. Plenty of cool new options, changing up some faction builds, some fan favorite characters, and some weird ones that I didn't expect but really like.

This guy is just dumb.

Edit: I should add that I actually hate reserves squads when it allows squad customization (like Pong or Kazdan). I think any reserves should be like the Voxyn Queen or Seventh Sister. Squad customization to silver bullet your opponent while also outnumbering them shouldn't happen, but this guy nerfs everything.

Reserves haven't been played competitively because Marn or Lobot+MTB kills Reserves. Now Lobot+Unkar kills Reserves (but actually not even as bad as MTB does). Things didn't change that much. In a casual game, simply agree not to use MTB or Unkar versus Reserves - same as any other autoloss situation.

Even DarthJim isn't perfect, Jim would be the first to tell you he didn't think 2 point pieces were a problem

Also, I never said I was fine with unkar... But people will hear what they want to hear.

careful frenchie
it's that kind of flaming troll hate speech, that'll get ya banned!

Darth Jim, not perfect!
you owe him, and grandpas everywhere an apology

we are perfect................just ask the grandkids

Ya, thats called an opinion. I hope he backed up his opinion with logic. Than, once it was seen what the community wanted and things and the discussion was over I hope that he felt at peace with the decision made.

All one can draw conclusions from is what is presented.
From the play report from the NW Regional
from Jason
"I knew Unkaar Plutt would be coming out in set 14, so any chance of playing a reserves based squad would be much more difficult after his release"

Atmsalad
"However, playing a game where the whole game depends on what your opponent can roll for init is not enjoyable."

"In my opinion, getting both sources of reserves from two separate characters is to much."

"Reserves needs to remain tier 2, even if unkar went overboard."

"Your naive, everyone is biased, but you can look past that to find a balance. Hence why I said(since apparently half assing quotes is cool) "even if unkar went overboard".

I can both think reserves need to be tier 2 for a more balanced game and think unkar went overboard..."

Yep, pretty much you want reserves gone. Unkarr does just that. You have given no reason for me to come to any other conclusion.
Heck even Jason knew that reserves would be worthless.

than we have the sticky part to all this.

Found in the thread

http://www.bloomilk.com/Forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=20740

"Reserves is simply unnecessary in the competitive game. Period."

"One major issue with the latest reserves squad is not that it won, or not even that there were major complaints. It's that it highlighted a loophole that was never intended.
The math was supposed to be around 25% chance. It says it repeatedly in the design thread for Pong Krell.
This squad gets up to a 74% chance.
Looking at the intent and the actual math result is a giant disparity.
That is the issue. "

"QUESTION: Wait... Pong was the last piece released necessary to the problem. Republic already had Anticipation, Recon, and even Sense the Future. It looks like the math was there for a good year before set 7 was started. EDIT: Not that mentioning it makes any progress in the conversation Blushing"
ANSWER:It's an embarrassing oversight.
It was brought up multiple times during design that he should only have either anticipation or sense the future, not both. But he ended up with both anyway.
It was brought up specifically by the original designer that the 25% can't really be boosted, and we just went with that. Huge oversight, huge error, we are to blame.
What finally brought to light this giant mistake - was Jason playing it this weekend. The addition of the MTB is what countered the main counter that existed, thus showing it's true potential.
believe me, a big part of my ire is knowing that I was part of the team that let that slip by.
I take my share of the blame, for sure."

so much for play testing and the worries brought up.


"The real question is - why did we not spell this math out during his design? We really screwed up big"

"Again, designer intent is key. Designers of this vset piece never intended this as a possibility. It was simply overlooked."

"As for Pong himself, I was involved in the design and tried to insist that he take sense the future only. Then You have to pay for anticipation and it limits the squad potential. As it is, pong is likely a good example that the size of sets should consistently be small. He got one test and it was far from optimized. A few pages of discussion that missed the elephant in the room and you have a synergy that just should not be."


Conlusion: a few people had t out for reserves and fixed it. Without community desire or thought put into it. Which totally sucks.

Show your private messages all you want.
hahahaha the short end of the stick now that reserves is gone. You are missing the point.
If it is a problem you should be fighting it not trying to just move on from it. If you know it is bad to completely nerf reserves than join the cause of getting reserves back on the table.

it is so easy for you right now. The thing you hate is gone. You can say whatever you like. Did you try to stop it is the question? Are you going to say, "you know I wish reserves wasn't around, but it is and has been since WOTC, it is part of our game. It is not breaking anything and should be an option to those that like that play style. At least until it proves to be a problem".

Of course not. Its gone now. The reserves that mopped you up in the NW Ohio regional is gone. So you are satisfied. No need to fight unjustified nerfing as long as you got what you wanted.
There is no proof that you put yourself aside in this scenario so please spare us.

I bet you discuss this very conversation in your "private messages"

Sarcasm is a sign of guilt in a lot of ways. You have no defense for this. I hope you learn that the community at large is more important than your opinions. Especially now that you are "on the council"

holy cow Jenny, give it a rest

Better one comment that doesn't productively contribute than paragraphs full of it...

oooh haha good one salad. very witty.

You are right. I should let you go around acting like a "for the people" person when in reality you just push your agenda. Seemingly so you can play out act and smash or Daala for eternity....
You are openly against Reserves once it beats you and pleased that it has a premeditated nerf. The nerf came from angst because a prior design was not correct....
So the community suffers so designers can fix their own problems. But ya, none of that is important. You got yours..
We should all live in the cave looking at the shadows while you are actively making sure things go right (the way you want them to) I think I will now call you Squealer, the propaganda pig from Animal Farm.

You Squeal alot but do not actually do anything unless it serves you and yours.
So whatever, continue your "wit" and not caring about the issue.



The question:
Why was it a good idea and good for the community to shut down reserves?
Is it because a few individuals thought it was good and what they wanted? or was it for the good of the game in general?
Why do a small group of people get to decide reserves should be tier 2?

you have yet to answer, no one has. It is probably embarrassing to do so.