Just for clarification, neither FlyingArrow nor I are on the Balance Committee, although we have both been designers (together on set 15 in fact). I know you probably weren't actually directing that question to me/us specifically, but just wanted to call it out in case that wasn't clear.

Thanks Echo and I won't stop posting on here because of a couple sour grapes trying the break the game. But I just didn't want to have to start creating a rift in rules between our area and my States brothers over something so ridiculous, unwarranted and like you said in this case outright baffling. Not only is Unkar not brought up (despite being one of the most requested things to be brought up) but Reserves gets further nerfed??? And for why again? Because of Pong?

We don't destroy an entire play archetype based off one bad piece. Correct the unbalanced piece, AKA Pong, if that's really apparently the issue, don't wipe out something a couple designers don't like because it's their personal NPE. That's doing a disservice to the community you are a part of and supposed to represent. Use powers for good, not evil brothers. And bring in balance to a game is not just using your power to eliminate something you don't like.

Anyways like I said irregardless the Canadians are banning the brokenness that is Unkar, and if we have to start making up our own rules, well that's unfortunate but we will. Because the people I put my trust in to bring balance aren't doing it, they're literally pushing an agenda through based on their personal dislikes and not actual proven gameplay powerhouse NPEs. Outside of Pong: Reserves doesn't dominate, it doesn't win tournaments, it doesn't even do that great on the best of days but it's a core part of our game from WOTC days, an incredibly fun squad to play (and yes I enjoy playing against it too) and something I'm not going to let just die. If we have to separate we will but I was just trying to keep our family together in spirit, game and rules.

Discussing the floor rule change to Reserves.



I will say that I think the squad I played, brought light to something that had been around for awhile but no one had really tried to exploit (or if they had,it hadn't done well and stayed very under the radar). The use of stacking a multiple characters who hit on the same number hoping to bring in an extreme amount of characters on a single init.



What I played and won with, showed that adding tons of guys each round isn't really balanced. With most games being rd 1 positioning and rd 2 being mostly positioning and some action, and rd 3 starting the real action of the game, that allows a reserve squad 3 inits worth of characters to be added. adding 40 or 60 or more pts of characters each round can be crushing. For instance, you could easily start "the combat rounds" with 380 pts to your opponents basic 200.

I played this squad and after playing it I am 100% behind changing the floor rules.

I disagree that reserves are unplayable. It just requires different squad building and different tactics.

Urban please build me a reserves squad that is remotely playable. A single roll a turn with no modifications and Unkar wipes out two of your numbers. Every single team is crippled.

All I did was highlight the issue with the squad you posted. It was pretty easy actually, in case you were wondering.

I’m not sure if it’s been pointed out, but I think it’s important to note in any conversation about his design and intent that Unkar wasn’t made to counter that squad. That event happened in July 2017, and the notable thing about it is nobody had seen it before. Unkar’s very first draft was submitted in October 2016 and marked done April 2017. This floor rule change seems like more of a direct counter tonthag squad.

Flying man that squad you posted was the absolute strongest possible reserves squad. Not the standard or the norm for all of the other options. And like Shmi pointed out that is because of Pong.

The new rules and Unkar make the update basing your entire team around a single 20% to maybe bring in 30 points. And not wanting to be harsh but that is the worst thing I have ever heard for squad design in regards to reserves. That is not a reserves team, that is maybe a single Reserves an entire game and you aren't going to be taking gambit with a bunch of useless characters. Spending the entire game trying to get in 1/5 chance of bringing in three Clone troopers or a jedi hunter droid is < tier nothing.

Reserves are unplayable and completely uncompetitive in this current environment.

Also please less personal calling out and more acknowledgement and understanding of our points.

Acknowledging your points would make them feel responsible for the state of that game and give realism to the points the tn players have been making for years, and unfortunately they will simply not do that. They have proven incapable of having real conversations the moment you make a valid point they turn to sarcasm and mockery because that's all they know. Facts have no place when talking with them. Months of conversations fell on deaf ears like we always warn will happen and time and time again they have proven this point... They simply do not care about what the remainder of the players want. If these changes don't prove that the elite have been doing this for awhile nothing ever will. I keep saying they need to vote on this committee and have real representation. This is starting to feel like 1776.

Because what we want doesn't matter. Unless your a designer, or on the BC, your thoughts and wants are pointless. This has been proven countless times, back when TN was the only people complaining... But slowly, they are pushing more and more people away from the game, by making the game fit THEIR play style. Facts don't lie, and neither does silence.