CorranHornSux123 - I like this Jabba.... except for the 1 Reserves number :( Everything else on him is cool. Thematic for sure with it!

NewGuy117 - I don't like the base stats... But I like everything else! I would've just upped his stats, and upped his cost, but other than that, I do like this guy, and I wish his reserve numbers were more than just 1!

Surf_Rider - Not a big fan of this piece. Its not a Unique in my eyes at all. He is just a generic Commander. And with that, I am completely against having Non Uniques with Reserves. I can't imagine ever using this guy in any squad for anything. Its thematic, and the idea of Sith Recruits being brought in by a Korriban Instructor is cool. But the SR are completely worthless really, which also hurts this guys playability.

Jenari - I think you have a very Unique idea.... But as was said in your comments, Qui Gon FS ups your chances to 75... and then, of course there is Recon, which ups it to prob 80-85%... Which means odds are you get this every round. Being 100 points makes the piece half your squad.... But you could add another one of these guys since you left out Unique or *only 1 per squad*. 2 of them make your odds still 50/50.. But you can double your reserve chances, and then bring in someone with Recon to increase those odds more. I wish you had put more in Rival to prevent Qui-Gon from being there :( But MTB does wreck this guy instantly....

Lord Ball - I like the idea of the piece your going for. But, as I said earlier, I am against Non Uniques with Reserves. I know thats kinda the idea of your piece... But I think its over costed for the 10% chance , and as was said in the comments, 1 reserves roll and your activation count goes through the roof!

Sprguy - This may be my favorite piece you have made yet. He has good base stats, fits with Farfalla, and then to top it off you have Reserves. Triple and LA is awesome. Nice Work!

AlextheGreat - Rancor reserves. If you get rolling on that, may god have mercy on whoever your playing. Being a Fringe character maks it interesting. I think this squad is idea with Thrawn, and the Vader who has reserves also. Toss in Ozzel, and I think you have 8 numbers you can get for reserves. 40% chance without any Recon or anything. I do think this is one of the more competitive pieces just for the squads it can be in.

Jak - Well... I won't go much into this character, as I think its over costed and I would never use it in a squad.

GG - I honestly don't know much about this character.... But I'm understanding that all characters ( Fringe included) become NR? Mandos in NR is interesting, and I am sure its thematic to the character, CE is cool, Recon is a great thing to hand out in Reserve squads IMO. But a whole 200 Point squad with Jedi Hatred.... Ouch. Why the Force User Hate!? lol.

Blemilisk - You definitely have a unique piece here.... The Reserves are cool... But the CE... Why give it to Troopers at all? And not just Wookies? I know some Wookies have trooper... but its just seems weird to me. And I am not a fan of Lifedebt... Very odd. And leaping Assault really doesn't make sense for this design... He only has 2 attacks and no buffs so your spending 2 FP to attack twice. Lightsaber Assault would be better.

Swinefeld - You know, the CE is very interesting. I think it stacks with Recon tho correct? Everything looks cool... BUT.... How in the world was a Unique in the OR.... Republic... and then also NR? I can't get behind that idea. But its honestly the only thing I don't like about the piece.





First - Spryguy

Second - CorranHornSux

Third - Newguy117

Hmmmm in four days I got 2 "likes" and an "interesting." Not sure what to make of the heavy duty commentary/critique I'm getting .....




I find it interesting in that I try to say something on everybodies character, yet as I said in four days iI got 2 "Likes" and an "Interesting," yet shmi you wait till voting starts to mention your not liking this guy because he doesn't have a name?? I was unaware that there would be more than one headmaster in a school. Would it have made you feel better if I'd called him Jorak Uln? I didn't to get That detailed. Whether Recruits are worth it is an argument I already acknowleged if you bothered to read the preface ....

I actually did read both and chose to focus on the Reserve part and not what the individual FP each had.. As to changing card text, that's not difficult; I've changed it often; ask GG, donny, koba or anybody else thats been in the customs section for years. It would also help if your critique actually showed up Before voting started. If you were refering to the recent Dexter "Informant" ability I chose to stick with my own interpretation after discussing it ... which is in iteself interesting because the only commentary I get is on something controversial. If its "Eh, Ok" I never know untill voting. It's never a surprise when I fail miserably (which is OK) but a complete surprise because only a few comment on it before voting. Tough to work in a vacuum.


Rant over. Continue on people, nothing to see .......

... and isn't this a discussion we should have had Before voting??????

He isn't supposed to be a hardass threat to anybody but the Students! (That's where the whip comes in. I've been teaching for 37 years .... whip and chair needed when going in with the lions but I digress. Again, I chose to concentrate on the Reserves part. Your arguments so far are

A) He's not a named unique (But you can only Have one Headmaster.)

B) He can't take any heavy hitters on .... and which part of Concentrate on his Reserves and not other powers. His Doctrine/Reserves/Whip/Rapport & CE takoe up most of the card. I had room for TWO force powers. I can't throw 10-15 abilities into my character like some of you do on occasion; I stick to what fits on my card.

As to taking it personal, I don't ... just wish people would say something Before voting starts .... My rants on costing are probably Just as annoying, which is why I metion it before we vote. I realize I'm a pain in the neck, but as GG has said, I'm President of the Universe regarding costing so I'm allowed to be a pain, up to a point.

I do have a good question for you. Assume I told you all of this before voting. Would you of changed anything? If so, what would your final product look like after my critiques?

So why waste my time before voting if nothing I say will change your mind? And why make a big deal of it if your stuck on keeping your guy a certain way?

I have never seen an elementary or University whose leader did not have name? If so please direct me to that school. Or any organization, religion, or anything else that has a leader.

Stuck on the name... Because you gave him the SA "UNIQUE". Unique implies he is unique, no one else like him. Unique also has *counts as such and such* So with your character who would you have this guy count as? Your example... of the JWM, to the best of my knowledge... Is not Unique, he is a non unique piece if I remember correctly? Checking now... Yep, he is a Non Unique, so your example was a bad one.

[/quote].... and since you can't let go of the name argument, of course he doesn't fit the two named in Wook; this one Has to fit their description, even after mentioning I Didn't choose to follow the Force Power empahasis you want me to follow because you can't see past the naming bit ... sounds like the circular logic I must deal with at school ... [/quote]

Do your students just call you teacher at school? Do they not call you Mr Surf Rider? And it seems you can't see past the name.. I have an issue with the "Unique" SA. And then you told me you read the info, learned the facts, and then, on purpose, chose to misrepresent those facts, and twist them to how you see fit. Would you teach your kids false facts in class, if they weren't what you wanted to teach? Or would you teach them things that are facts?



[/quote].... and that brings me to your above question; since you can't see past the name, and can't grasp my explanations, why would I change anything? ... which brings us to the original question I had about you Now bring this up and we've wasted a thread page going in circles (N0 doubt amusing the Crap out of everybody?) [/quote]

Again with the name, and again, its not the name, its the "Unique" SA. Where you are implying this guy has a name, but then tell me he is generic, but then, you can't find a single character in Korriban's Academy that remotely resembles your generic Unique character. So now your telling me you don't like my critique... Because your piece is not thematic, but its what you wanted to make, ( your starting to sound like a Vset Designer!) Even tho my critique is 1000% on the thematically incorrectness of your character, and nothing else.



[/quote]Regarding Thematically NOT being accurate, .... Fear, Reserves, Whip (every students perceived vision of a hardass teacher/Admin) Rapport and CE aren't all aimed at the acolyte/recruit/student I mentioned in the preface???[/quote]

Yes your piece is not accurate thematically. You and I both can agree on that. I gave you 2 examples of Korriban Academy headmasters. You gave me " This is what I wanted to make". "This is what I wanted to make" is not thematic. Its "This is what I wanted to make". Does that make sense to you? That "This is what I wanted to make" Is not thematic? Because it is not... And, as it has been since you asked for my reasoning, my entire problem with this guy is how inaccurate it is. Not just in name, but in base stats. No "HeadMaster" of ANY academy is going to have 60HP. And if they do, sign me up, because I will become headmaster in no time!


[/quote]" .... a circular argument is often logically valid because if the premises are true, the conclusion must be true."[/quote]

I don't even know how to respond to this, because your points are all invalid. You said " I CHOSE not to follow Wookiepedia".. Ok, thats fine, no one is forcing anyone to follow anything. But you can't then come back and say your piece is thematic... Do you understand what an Oxymoron is? If not, read this statement I have bolded again... Slowly.


[/quote]I'm getting too old for this ... good thing I have good blood pressure ... and the grandkids are making me laugh as I write this .......[/quote]


10 thumbs way up for being a good Grandfather! Both of my grandparents were very dear to me and the time they spent with me as a child will always be a top 5 memory of my childhood! So regardless of what we disagree on, I think we can both agree on this!

Lightwhip as a weapon exists:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightwhip

and a character looks like it has one (just not the ability, though her reach is 2):
http://www.bloomilk.com/Character/345/mistryl-shadow-guard

Shmi:




Simple, he was actually in charge of the order 66 troopers. The way I see it if he had clones with him in his squad as well as any Wookie he could bring in, IF order 66 is to go off, they are no longer in his squad, thus no longer followers thus obviously no longer under/subject to the CE. However any other non order 66 troopers (including):
http://www.bloomilk.com/Character/1086/naboo-trooper
http://www.bloomilk.com/Character/122/alderaan-trooper
http://www.bloomilk.com/Character/947/chiss-trooper
and the Wookie Trooper gets both boosts from the CE:
http://www.bloomilk.com/Character/606/wookiee-trooper






How so? A Wookie would be dishonored for letting someone he/she owes a lifedebt to die. Thus whenever the recipient of a lifedebt becomes injured, I can easily see those that are indebted to come quickly to his/her aid. In this case, it simply triggers Reserves, and gives logical SAs to the now very concerned Wookie allies. It also only does so once, as it represents all those that have a lifedebt to him. Again, this is just one interpretation of what the Wookie Lifedebt might look like in our game. It could look different, but this in my opinion is a logical one.



This one should be obvious, he is leaping, jumping, tumbling etc those 6 squares, in its wording im effectively ignoring terrain, and also importantly attacks of opportunity. Then he still gets his attacks. This is thematically accurate from what we see when he fights Dooku. Also, I think it is worth 1 extra FP to move to that location with the benefits above.

If you really break it down it's not as bad as it may first seem.

Costing aside as Sev'rance Tann pretty much forces all Separatist huges to be over costed by a bit.

Lobot CLO has Fringe Reserves 30 (for a mere 15 points!) so he can potentially bring in 10 characters, granted with Rapport the MTT can exceed 10, but you have the drawback that they setup adjacent opening you up for a devastating AoE attack, running San Hill just magnifies this problem as you can't spread out fast enough. Ultimately the draw backs (Huge, Slow, Inflexible and fragile reserves, AoE vulnerability, highly overcosted) should be more than enough to mitigate the potential for imbalance, at least in my book it is.


onto my vote.

1 swine - As shmi said a multi-generational unique is a bit odd, but I don't see the affinity ability that actually allows that in this case.
2 surf
3 GG

I personally look at a character from many angles. Obviously theme(if it isn't true to the character it might as well be something else), reasonable playability (but not really competitiveness, more about being balanced given whatever relevant factors), and fun (this is obviously the hardest one to judge). I find most V-set pieces designed for competitiveness usually fail one or more, usually one of the last 2.

I agree from a sheer numbers perspective my MTT does seem crazy, but there are quite a few balancing factors built in.

So lets take the first thing, thematic. If a character is no where near thematically correct, would you vote for it?


EDIT

I don't think your piece is "crazy" I think it can be abused really bad, especially in Seps.