Sorry but i am tired of all the little kids crying for their cruch. It was banned get over it!

I'm not crying about anything, I don't even have GOWK. It's simply an interesting topic, on the merit of it not only being the only banned piece in the game, but the fact that people tend to disagree on why exactly he's banned. Stop trying to be inflammatory.

Honestly, I don't think there is a good cost for his mix of abilities.

Actually, it's not. It's a lack of reading and understanding on OP's part, your part, and now Mandalore_Da_Beast's. You guys really need to step back, reread the posts, and not comment until you have realized how poorly you are interpreting the discussion. I'm serious. There is no emotion, other than from you three being represented. It's an interesting discussion to multiple people. Calling it "crying" or any such is a clear indication that you either didn't read the thread at all, or are reading into this thread emotions that are clearly not present to anyone who takes about 5 minutes to read the OP's post, and his subsequent clarifications.

I am greatly opposed to abusing others with such gross misrepresentation of what they are saying, especially when they even come back to clarify for the benefit of others. Others want to talk about it, and you have 0 ground to jump into a thread and call each other names or swear at each other because you don't want to, or for whatever reason you think it's uncalled for.

I am ashamed of this thread, and not just Windu, but also of the two of you for actually thinking that his post has some merit. It doesn't even understand the conversation that the OP wanted, and I'm sorry, this is just plain lunacy on your parts. If you aren't capable of reading something someone writes ask them for clarification. It's never ok to go off on a profanity laced tirade no matter how much you disagree with someone, but especially so when you don't even know what their argument is and you chastise them for something that isn't even close to what they said. I can't believe what I see here, it's that ridiculous.

It's time the three of you own up to this and start showing a little respect for others. Ignorance is fine for a while, but I just cannot believe that all three of you are that ignorant, that I pretty much have to believe you are trolling in this thread. Let others discuss what they want, and leave this kind of crap off the boards. This type of stuff is so out of bounds, I am ashamed that you are part of the SWMs community right now.

I tend to agree. I think the best fix is to remove Mettle and MotF2 and just deal with the headaches he would still create, but I don't think even this is in the cards going forward. I think right now, the design team hasn't been able to find a significant, elegant and simple solution and so remaining banned is the only real option.

I know. But you missed the point entirely. His post, was completely off topic. The OP isn't crying about anything. He wasn't doing the other thing Windu claimed either. So agreeing with him, is agreeing to be against something which has not been done by anyone. It's crystal clear if you actually read the OP's posts without emotion and personal biases on the issues attached. He wants to discuss ideas, and originally one that he thought might solve the issue. Whether you want people to not talk about it or not is irrelevant to the topic. It's also flaming, harrassment and a number of other problems (which were primarily Windu obviously, but I found it equally sad that two others also failed to even read and understand what the OP was talking about before agreeing.)

Yep, I started this. I forced you to agree with a guy who was trolling and flaming another member. I am clearly ignorant (which you might want to look up in a dictionary)....

Umm, irrelevant. I'm not doing either of those to you either. You might think it is, but it's simple basic criticism of your point of agreeing with Windu. Even if you had made inflammatory comments about me this past week, I hope I would still respond the same way to crap like that. Luckily, since you already told everyone you did not, there shouldn't be an issue with my personal bias or emotions on this issue.

Sure I do, you wrote, "I agree with the basic point Windu was making". That point was off topic, rude, inflammatory, and totally irrelevant to what the OP actually said. It didn't even apply to him or anyone else in this thread. So it was a completely ignorant rant, that violates the forum rules, abuses another member, and really has no place on any forums. The moment you agreed with it, you put yourself in that 3 some.

Oh yea, now that's clever. You are right, I am at fault for pointing all of this out. Now I am being accused of "baiting" which means to try to get others to violate CoCs by posting inflammatory things about them (in terms of internet speech). When in reality, what I am doing is trying to curb exactly those things in this thread.... The last thing I am trying to do is bait you or anyone. Classic and ridiculous response. There is no need for further response from you, I am clearly not baiting. I was calling out inappropriate behavior, and people who supported it (even partially). There is a place for cleverness, sarcasm, even slightly rude posts on forums. However, if you are going to employ such tools you better at least do so on the topic at hand, and based on what the OP actually is talking about.

When you use these kinds of responses and aren't even talking about the same thing as the OP, then you just look foolish. I probably wouldn't have even responded, but I didn't like that two other people agreed with him, when he was so wrong in the first place. The topic has never been, "crying about GOWK being banned".

Are you serious? I'm going to give you a minute to think this one through again. Take your time, look up whatever post you are referencing, check it against what you just claimed and come back.

This is pretty out there of a claim. I'd really like to see how you stand behind this one.

clearly, you werent.
it was miller. which to me, is the same.
i apologize for that accusation, though.

I, for one, wished GOWK could be restored to play (with adjustments mind you). He's a great character with one of the best sculpts (as posted earlier) and a great CE.

I've seen a lot of suggestions on different sites and what Bill posted seems to be the most reasonable (and keeping GOWK at 55pts). I have played against GOWK a few times recently (yes, even after the ban) and he is a TANK. It took almost a whole 200pt squad to take him down and even that took a few rounds. Equivalent figures point-wise were toasted in one round and usually by only a couple characters.