dude, i wasn't trying to be offensive with that last sentance, i just meant
i would be INTERESTED in the results of so Fisto games. i wasn't "calling
you out", or at least i wasn't trying to. sorry if it came across that way.

@Topher

I am not mad at you. It is just over the years I generally get the joy of being called names and then somehow I am the bad guy for being called a name. I just wanted it to be clear that I thought we were just having a good spirited debate prior to the name calling. I agree that playing that would be fun.

it's clear we have some (correct my spelling if it's wrong here)
"finness" players here who like beating the crap out of over-used
pieces with an unsuspecting squad.

How are you construing being called petulant "name calling".!? It is an adjective, not a "name". Weaver has already said he does not wish to press the issue, so stop trying to turn this thread into a flame war. sheesh.

Sure I know it is my fault. I thought the forum was for debating ideas. Adjectives are quite often used in being rude. This was definately all on me for ever ever responding to a thread. The more I have posted here the clearer it has become that I am not welcome here.

no one is flaming here. all I have seen are counterpoints by miller and weaver's refusal to accept them. In my opinion Fisto is an exellent piece. ironicly enough I've found him usful with rex

Okay, I don't mean to start another argument here, but I must ask: What on earth is my Cad doing within 6 squares of Kit pre-initiative without Thrawn? Only a fool would dare risk his squad's biggest hitter going down in one move like that.

(DISCLAIMER: Not to say that risking huge damage on an initiative win is always a bad thing. Just not when your piece dies with no gain if you lose)

Once again all I hear is:
I'M BEING SHORT, RUDE, AND SARCASTIC WITH EVERYBODY CUZ I CAN!!

Kit just costs too much for what he does for Me. He can be good with more movement or teamed up with Gen Skywalker could be crazy. I pulled him in my sealed event went 3-1 lost to Tim with Asajj and Obi. My support for Kit was a LR,r7,a senate Commando,ARF trooper and some stuff. He is good just for me costs too much to run. Surprise move with double twin could be nasty. Run him with the new Obi then he can do 130 with Surprise move. I just feel there is something missing from kit. I will play him but feel for 60 points he is a little much.

I could give you countless ways that I could overcome your attempt to stay out of range. But the problem is, most people just always function on best case scenarios and ignore how the games will play out. No one, not me, not Dean, not you can keep Cad or any figure more than 6 away at all times. Sometimes your fodder will die to quickly, sometimes you will have to swap in too close, sometimes you have to activate Cad or whatever, early in the round for a key shot, etc. As an opponent, there are ways to make all of the above happen as well, with furthers the reality.

As for the suggestion that "Exile/Jarael" are enough to protect Cad, well first off, that's a laugh. In this hypothetical situation, neither of those two represents a major threat that would merit ignoring Cad. Further, you guys need to consider Kit in a squad as well, not as a solo piece. So far, the logic I've seen from you, is comparing a 60pt solo Kit Fisto vs a 54pt Cad with 30-50pts of support. Well duh, Cad wins, he's got 30-50 more points, and you've given him some of the best in the game (Thrawn, Exile, Jarael).

But what happens when we look at Republic options for Kit, and start adding in Panaka, R2, Flobi, Yodabuck, Rex, and so on. With a Yoda, Panaka, Kit squad, I would love to see you keep Cad safe in any of the squads you mentioned. It just isn't going to happen. With a Kit Flobi swap squad, well, kill Kit if you want to, and will need to, but you aren't going to get OBi down in that time. And with double surprise movers, you better believe I can catch up.

Further, you ignore the range of this piece. For example, on round 1 alone, Kit starts at square 4 and gets towed 12 by R2. He then runs another 12. That puts him well past Gambit if you need to. Next turn, surprise move another 6, move 6-8 and attack. That's basically 36-38 squares with one force point, and one round. Assuming now that my squad perhaps has other tricks as well, and I think you will start to see the potencial power here.

Finally, you guys are using different terms here, and that makes a difference. Some of you are talking about top level play, and doing so wrongly. Kit is definately a competitive piece by my estimation (which is what you are arguing when you say you won't play him in DCI). Whether or not he is a piece worthy of a Gencon championship is an entirely different question, and the answer is not based on Kit's stats alone. There are plenty of other issues that have to be considered, that I am sure most of you are not even talking about.

Point is, he's a very strong piece that can be nasty.