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carnorjax1
Posted: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:37:35 AM
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She manages to fit everything in with no loose ends. Granted she does make the Mandos out as superhuman honorable warriors who hate everyone but themselves, but its all good
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Posted: Monday, January 25, 2010 12:38:00 PM
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I'm not going too far into it, but my issue with Traviss is not that the Mando's see themselves as the ultimate pinacle of civilization, it is that she writes that same opinion into the non-mandos as well. From what I've heard, it is glad I did not read the Commando series, as it apparently devolves into similar style...

And as much as people are going to complain about continuity, just imagine the possibilities of having animated Mandos vs Jedi. You thought the Obi vs Jango fight was fun...
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Posted: Monday, January 25, 2010 1:46:27 PM
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Interesting, they seem to be following some of the continuity.

Just saw the preview, and Death Watch is confirmed. While it seems unlikely to follow Traviss canon, I think Open Seasons will be fine.
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Sithborg wrote:
Interesting, they seem to be following some of the continuity.

Just saw the preview, and Death Watch is confirmed. While it seems unlikely to follow Traviss canon, I think Open Seasons will be fine.

I was pleased.
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Blizzard Scout 1 wrote:
Sithborg wrote:
Interesting, they seem to be following some of the continuity.

Just saw the preview, and Death Watch is confirmed. While it seems unlikely to follow Traviss canon, I think Open Seasons will be fine.

I was pleased.


I bought the New Star Wars Insider today with the Mando's on the cover haven't read it yet though.
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Darth Chaos wrote:
carnorjax1 wrote:
Oh, the whole Mando-pascifist thing makes sense now. It's becuase the Death Watch are going to be the baddies in the next Clone Wars episode(looks really good)


I think the whole Mando-pacifist thing is ridiculous. They can be mercenaries without a common, imperialist agenda, and the Death Watch can be dudes who actually WANT to go to war and reclaim the Mando heritage. But pacifists?! When I first heard that Boba Fett's armor was "Mandalorian," I immediately knew that meant they were badass mofos. Badass mofos are not pacifists, unless they're chinese monks, and Mandalorians are not monks.

/rant


techniqly boba's armor isn't Mando'a beskar, its durasteel, therefore not real mando armor. A mando himself asked fett when he was gonna get "real armor" Razz Razz Flapper
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techniqly boba's armor isn't Mando'a beskar, its durasteel, therefore not real mando armor. A mando himself asked fett when he was gonna get "real armor" Razz Razz Flapper


I beleive he does switch out for true beskar armor before the Legacy series ends. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
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Sithborg wrote:
I'm not going too far into it, but my issue with Traviss is not that the Mando's see themselves as the ultimate pinacle of civilization, it is that she writes that same opinion into the non-mandos as well. From what I've heard, it is glad I did not read the Commando series, as it apparently devolves into similar style...

And as much as people are going to complain about continuity, just imagine the possibilities of having animated Mandos vs Jedi. You thought the Obi vs Jango fight was fun...


TBH....someone who has not read the BEST work that Traviss did within the SW universe has absolutely no ground on which to stand to decry her work. Yes, the non-Mandos in her stories tend to have a particular opinion about the Mandos, but you have to remember that those stories (presumably LOTF, if you haven't read the RC books), there's a specific feeling about the Mandos during that time. And honestly, I never felt like ANYONE thought they were the pinnacle of civilization. If anything, their home planet sucks, and all they are good for it fighting wars. They're a flawed culture at best.

And not reading the RC series simply because you don't like the author is cutting yourself SO short it's not even funny. The RC series is by far my favorite in all of SW EU right now. And in comparison, there's a HUGE difference in Traviss' writing style between the RC books and the LOTF ones. You can tell she wasn't as comfortable writing the LOTF novels.


Anyways...sorry for the off-topic rant, lol

Having finally seen the trailer for this week....we'll see. I'm still skeptical about the plans for the Mandos, as the whole "nuclear wasteland homeworld" is still a big change. And Open Season would still be all fouled up if the remainder of the Mando culture are pacifists. A whole portion of the Open Seasons storyline was based around the Death Watch being hunted down by the 'True Mandalorians' for being out of line. The 'True Mandos' in Open Seasons certainly weren't pacifists, lol. Remember, Jango Fett was Mandalore before he went to work with the Kaminoans.

Plus, if all of the story elements for Open Seasons remained intact, than I can't understand why Traviss decided to back out of her book series. From the comments she made on her blog, it sounded like there were irreconcilable differences of some sort. Guess we'll find out on Friday.
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LoboStele wrote:
Sithborg wrote:
I'm not going too far into it, but my issue with Traviss is not that the Mando's see themselves as the ultimate pinacle of civilization, it is that she writes that same opinion into the non-mandos as well. From what I've heard, it is glad I did not read the Commando series, as it apparently devolves into similar style...

And as much as people are going to complain about continuity, just imagine the possibilities of having animated Mandos vs Jedi. You thought the Obi vs Jango fight was fun...


And not reading the RC series simply because you don't like the author is cutting yourself SO short it's not even funny. The RC series is by far my favorite in all of SW EU right now. And in comparison, there's a HUGE difference in Traviss' writing style between the RC books and the LOTF ones. You can tell she wasn't as comfortable writing the LOTF novels.


@Lobo I am in complete agreement with what you wrote. The paragraph I quoted above this. I had the same feeling. I've read all her SW novel's liked the LOTF and absolutely loved the RC one's all of them!!! After reading her SW novel's I picked up her Gear's of war novel's.

I can't wait to see the show on cartoon network and see how they are going to do this. It's starting to eat at me. Gotta see how this play's out. BlooMilk
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Posted: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:33:08 AM
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I liked Bloodlines. The other two just annoyed me all to hell. I was tempted to read the RC series, but from what I've heard, the stuff that annoyed me in her last two LOTF books starts to come out, starts to come out more. Might as well just scrap the whole series.
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LoboStele wrote:
Sithborg wrote:
I'm not going too far into it, but my issue with Traviss is not that the Mando's see themselves as the ultimate pinacle of civilization, it is that she writes that same opinion into the non-mandos as well. From what I've heard, it is glad I did not read the Commando series, as it apparently devolves into similar style...

And as much as people are going to complain about continuity, just imagine the possibilities of having animated Mandos vs Jedi. You thought the Obi vs Jango fight was fun...


TBH....someone who has not read the BEST work that Traviss did within the SW universe has absolutely no ground on which to stand to decry her work. Yes, the non-Mandos in her stories tend to have a particular opinion about the Mandos, but you have to remember that those stories (presumably LOTF, if you haven't read the RC books), there's a specific feeling about the Mandos during that time. And honestly, I never felt like ANYONE thought they were the pinnacle of civilization. If anything, their home planet sucks, and all they are good for it fighting wars. They're a flawed culture at best.

And not reading the RC series simply because you don't like the author is cutting yourself SO short it's not even funny. The RC series is by far my favorite in all of SW EU right now. And in comparison, there's a HUGE difference in Traviss' writing style between the RC books and the LOTF ones. You can tell she wasn't as comfortable writing the LOTF novels.


Anyways...sorry for the off-topic rant, lol

Having finally seen the trailer for this week....we'll see. I'm still skeptical about the plans for the Mandos, as the whole "nuclear wasteland homeworld" is still a big change. And Open Season would still be all fouled up if the remainder of the Mando culture are pacifists. A whole portion of the Open Seasons storyline was based around the Death Watch being hunted down by the 'True Mandalorians' for being out of line. The 'True Mandos' in Open Seasons certainly weren't pacifists, lol. Remember, Jango Fett was Mandalore before he went to work with the Kaminoans.

Plus, if all of the story elements for Open Seasons remained intact, than I can't understand why Traviss decided to back out of her book series. From the comments she made on her blog, it sounded like there were irreconcilable differences of some sort. Guess we'll find out on Friday.


I have read all of Karen Traviss's books to date, and I get a little tired of the same old Mando/Clone jabber and culture. I can imagine her being uncomfortable with writing LOTF, "Awww, I have to write about non-mandos, AND NO CLONE TROOPERS?! This sucks" In her books the characters all look at the Mandos in the same, fearing, these- guys-are-like-Spartans way. The episode looks beast though.
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Sithborg wrote:
I liked Bloodlines. The other two just annoyed me all to hell. I was tempted to read the RC series, but from what I've heard, the stuff that annoyed me in her last two LOTF books starts to come out, starts to come out more. Might as well just scrap the whole series.


Man you really don't like the RC's do ya Sithborg? Blink Your the first I've heard who doesn't. Oh well, I won't hold it against ya. Your still good in my book.

Course it's an RC book. Wink Just messing with ya.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:16:37 PM
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I will give her this: she is good and loves writing Mandalorians. This is pretty obvious. Even with my disagreement with some of her writing style, I can safely assume the RC books are still better than the Black Fleet Crisis...
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Sithborg wrote:
I will give her this: she is good and loves writing Mandalorians. This is pretty obvious. Even with my disagreement with some of her writing style, I can safely assume the RC books are still better than the Black Fleet Crisis...


Hands down!
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Sithborg wrote:
I will give her this: she is good and loves writing Mandalorians. This is pretty obvious. Even with my disagreement with some of her writing style, I can safely assume the RC books are still better than the Black Fleet Crisis...


I just finished reading her Halo short story and really like it. ThumbsUp
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I understand, Sithborg. I sort of feel the same way about Troy Denning sometimes though too. He gets SO caught up and focused on Leia/Han it's not even funny sometimes. Everybody focuses on their favorites in their novels, it's just how it is.

Anyways...I just remembered why the CW episode is all screwed up....

Dooku and Jango defeated ALL of the Death Watch in the Open Seasons comic....BEFORE Attack of the Clones! That's why it's screwy. And, from what Travis was doing in the latest RC novel (501st, supposed to occur shortly after Order 66), none of the Mandos were even aware of any Death Watch survivors or sympathizers until after Order 66.

So, the presence of a significant number of Death Watch mandos, combined with obvious awareness of them during the Clone Wars period....just doesn't jive with the rest of the EU material so far. That could be the major difference there.
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Denning is still riding high from Star By Star in my view. The Dark Nest Trilogy was pretty bad, though I did like how it fixed certain issues at the end of the NJO. That, and I loved Inferno.

As for the Death Watch issue, perhaps. We know the name of one of them is Pre Vizla, and if I am remembering correctly, that is a pretty solid connection. It could just be they picked up the name again.

I'm still of opinion, that with how Mando's have been portrayed as a Nomadic and diverse culture, I don't see how the CW's Mandos can't coexist with what has been portrayed. Hell, I think both the Jedi and Sith have been claimed to have been "wiped out" a few times, so it is just as easy for me to think that someones been overexagerating a groups extinction.
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Heh, yeah, Star by Star is still one of my all-time favorites of ANY EU literature, so it's hard for me to understand why I dislike some of Dennings other stuff so much, lol. Then again, FOTJ: Abyss was absolutely awesome I thought. Oh well.

About the Mandos: Eh, we'll start to find out tomorrow I guess. I just can't imagine the cartoon meshing very well if it was enough for Traviss to have to give up any current or future SW projects because of it. She had to scrap her last RC book AND the standalone Boba Fett novel she'd been planning because of the changes the CW series were bringing about. Seems to me like there's something big we don't know about yet.
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I dunno, I still think that the term "Mandalorian Pacifist" is an oxymoron...
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The main problem I have with Traviss' books are that she often puts Mandos as morally superior to the Jedi, even to the point where Jedi are conviced to become Mandos in the RC books. That and the conception that most Jedi are chump change to Mandos.

I realize it's just supposed to be from Mando point of view, but Boba being the best one to learn how to kill force users from is weird to me. Unless that one comic where he fights vader with a lightsaber is somehow canon to Traviss...

Mando armor and warrior culture is still awesome either way.

yay Fenn Shysa ftw!
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