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Sithborg wrote:FlyingArrow wrote:If Mon Mothma hasn't gone to press, I think the wording could be changed slightly to clarify that a character only gets the bonus if they are the one who defeats the enemy - not a squad-wide bonus:
Each time a Rebel or New Republic follower defeats a Unique enemy, the ally gains +1 Attack and +1 Defense for the rest of the skirmish. (This bonus stacks.) Except it is supposed to be a squad wide bonus. Okay - that's fine. That's not the answer you gave me through email, but it's also had a couple other changes since I saw it last (restrictions to followers and to defeating Unique enemies). In that case I would suggest the following slight change to clarify that the bonus goes to all characters regardless of who defeated the enemy: Each time a Unique enemy is defeated, all Rebel and New Republic followers gain +1 Attack and +1 Defense for the rest of the skirmish. (This bonus stacks.)
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saber1 wrote:
??? I don't follow.
I had misread the bonus as triggering for each defeated unique ally, not enemy. I blame my rather painful sinus infection for the confusion.
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EmporerDragon wrote:saber1 wrote:
??? I don't follow.
I had misread the bonus as triggering for each defeated unique ally, not enemy. I blame my rather painful sinus infection for the confusion. No worries and Godspeed on your recovery!
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FlyingArrow wrote:Sithborg wrote:FlyingArrow wrote:If Mon Mothma hasn't gone to press, I think the wording could be changed slightly to clarify that a character only gets the bonus if they are the one who defeats the enemy - not a squad-wide bonus:
Each time a Rebel or New Republic follower defeats a Unique enemy, the ally gains +1 Attack and +1 Defense for the rest of the skirmish. (This bonus stacks.) Except it is supposed to be a squad wide bonus. Okay - that's fine. That's not the answer you gave me through email, but it's also had a couple other changes since I saw it last (restrictions to followers and to defeating Unique enemies). In that case I would suggest the following slight change to clarify that the bonus goes to all characters regardless of who defeated the enemy: Each time a Unique enemy is defeated, all Rebel and New Republic followers gain +1 Attack and +1 Defense for the rest of the skirmish. (This bonus stacks.) The CE has gone through significant changes. As for the CE, Darth Vader, Dark Jedi says that it is uneeded.
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FlyingArrow wrote:Sithborg wrote:FlyingArrow wrote:If Mon Mothma hasn't gone to press, I think the wording could be changed slightly to clarify that a character only gets the bonus if they are the one who defeats the enemy - not a squad-wide bonus:
Each time a Rebel or New Republic follower defeats a Unique enemy, the ally gains +1 Attack and +1 Defense for the rest of the skirmish. (This bonus stacks.) Except it is supposed to be a squad wide bonus. Okay - that's fine. That's not the answer you gave me through email, but it's also had a couple other changes since I saw it last (restrictions to followers and to defeating Unique enemies). In that case I would suggest the following slight change to clarify that the bonus goes to all characters regardless of who defeated the enemy: Each time a Unique enemy is defeated, all Rebel and New Republic followers gain +1 Attack and +1 Defense for the rest of the skirmish. (This bonus stacks.) It's not for rest of the skirmish. I would say the wording (edit: below) in its current form is a bit terse, but taken at face value is entirely unambiguous. Quote:New Republic and Rebel followers get +1 Attack and +1 Defense for each defeated Unique enemy. [This bonus stacks.] I think it is about as tight as it can be now. (particularly if card space is an issue, which I kind of doubt) Changing it to make it more descriptive could make it read more like a FAQ entry. Just my 2 cents on the subject
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"For rest of skirmish" is not needed, in fact, it is actually not what the CE needs. As it implies the CE continues even if Mon Mothma is defeated. Some CE's had to be changed because of this somewhat ambigous effect, that I'm not particularly eager to see in the game.
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Sorry - "for the rest of the skirmish" was not the main point. That should be dropped from what I said, especially since that wasn't the intent.
I think the ambiguity is in who benefits. It may be technically 'unambiguous' in the sense that there is a correct interpretation, but as it stands, I think there will be multiple games played incorrectly and multiple people asking the question in the Rules thread. I've already misunderstood it twice. As it stands now, it just leaves me asking the question, "Does everyone get the bonus when an enemy is defeated, or just the character who defeats the enemy?" I know the answer because I've been told, but I think it would be better if the wording didn't leave me asking the question.
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"For each defeated Unique enemy, all New Republic and Rebel followers get +1 Attack and +1 Defense. [This bonus stacks.]"
Hm. That seems more clear to me, but maybe not to someone else. Eliminating the ambiguity without another sentence does seem to be tricky.
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Hrm... honestly, I think the wording is pretty clear as is. If A and B, then C; where A equals rebel or new republic faction, B equals follower, and C is the bonus equal to defeated unique enemies. I think the wording and logic are sound, imho
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I just don't see how you can get that incorrect idea from the CE. To get close to what you thought requires very different verbage.
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Would Bothan Sacrafice stack?
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Sithborg wrote:I just don't see how you can get that incorrect idea from the CE. To get close to what you thought requires very different verbage. Mainly from an email exchange with you a couple months ago where the wording is similar (but with different restrictions), and you gave the exact opposite interpretation of what's given in this thread. I don't normally make it a practice to quote email publicly, but I can refresh your memory if you like.
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FlyingArrow wrote:Perhaps
"For each defeated Unique enemy, all New Republic and Rebel followers get +1 Attack and +1 Defense. [This bonus stacks.]"
Not really any different as I read it. If I were going to word it as thoroughly as possible, something more like this: Whenever a Unique enemy is defeated by any means, New Republic and Rebel followers get +1 Attack and +1 Defense. [This effect is cumulative.]To me that reads more like a glossary or FAQ entry than card text, but I'm for clarity as much as possible. (I just think the current wording gets the job done) For reference, the first wording I saw: Quote:New Republic and Rebel followers get +1 Attack and +1 Defense for each Unique enemy defeated. [This bonus stacks.] That wording, to me seemed to imply defeat by specific followers, and individual bonus tracking. Yuck. Moving that one word accomplishes a lot in this case, IMO.
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knappskirata wrote:Would Bothan Sacrafice stack? No, it doesn't stack, as that would be multiple instances of the same ability, which does not specifically say that it stacks (as Mon's CE effect does).
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FlyingArrow wrote:Sithborg wrote:I just don't see how you can get that incorrect idea from the CE. To get close to what you thought requires very different verbage. Mainly from an email exchange with you a couple months ago where the wording is similar (but with different restrictions), and you gave the exact opposite interpretation of what's given in this thread. I don't normally make it a practice to quote email publicly, but I can refresh your memory if you like. And again, the CE went through pretty substantial, and multiple, rewrites.
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swinefeld wrote:FlyingArrow wrote:Perhaps
"For each defeated Unique enemy, all New Republic and Rebel followers get +1 Attack and +1 Defense. [This bonus stacks.]"
Not really any different as I read it. If I were going to word it as thoroughly as possible, something more like this: Whenever a Unique enemy is defeated by any means, New Republic and Rebel followers get +1 Attack and +1 Defense. [This effect is cumulative.]To me that reads more like a glossary or FAQ entry than card text, but I'm for clarity as much as possible. (I just think the current wording gets the job done) It's only 4 extra words, and I think that wording does make it much more clear. That would get my vote if I had one. Quote:For reference, the first wording I saw: Quote:New Republic and Rebel followers get +1 Attack and +1 Defense for each Unique enemy defeated. [This bonus stacks.] That wording, to me seemed to imply defeat by specific followers, and individual bonus tracking. Yuck. Moving that one word accomplishes a lot in this case, IMO. That wording does imply defeat by specific followers and individual bonus tracking (according to Sithborg). But I could see it going either way. I could also see the new wording going either way. (In other words, whatever the official ruling was, I'd say, "Yeah, I can see that.") In either case, the word "defeated" doesn't have a qualifier to answer the question, "by whom?" The two different wordings seem to imply different answers to that question, but neither explicitly answers it like your version above where you say "by any means". If the community is small enough that everyone left who plays reads this thread, it's a moot point since we'd all now know the answer. Otherwise, I could easily see 25% of the players misinterpreting the current wording. I suggest going with your new wording to avoid that.
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FlyingArrow wrote:
If the community is small enough that everyone left who plays reads this thread, it's a moot point since we'd all now know the answer. Otherwise, I could easily see 25% of the players misinterpreting the current wording. I suggest going with your new wording to avoid that.
There is certainly no harm in putting it in the suggestion cue. (I enjoy discussing this stuff. It's interesting to hear different peoples' interpretations.  )As it is, I noticed a few other things that were missed during the last round of proofing. Some things will need to be changed slightly during card QC.
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I think simple wording is better for the CE.
"Everytime an enemy Unique is defeated, each Rebel and New Republic ally gain +1 Attack and +1 Defense. [This bonus stacks.]"
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Quick question, any info on the Jedi Training Droid's RM? Just curious if it has a lightsaber or not.
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