Agreed. Sadly, that applies to pretty much any piece in the 11-15 point range.

Jedi Demolitionist, from Destiny of the Force





The Jedi Demolitionist is a nice solid Tier 2 piece - Satchel Charge on a sturdy piece is always helpful, as it prevents your opponent from killing your fragile door tech and then getting a lockout victory, and with Stealth and Force Bubble they do have adequate ranged defense, And they're fun with the 100 point New Republic Luke, where they can gain Force Renewal, and bodyguard for Luke; so they can bodyguard Luke's damage, then Force Bubble it away. Despite some useful abilities - the Knight Speed and Grenades 20 combination does also provide a useful option as well - I don't think the Jedi Demolitionist is enough of an offensive threat, given the cost of 29 points. Useful piece, but I wouldn't use it in a tournament squad, 6/10.

7 is probably fine; there are a lot of 7s I wouldn't play, lol

I think the Sullustan has enough going for it, that it partially escapes the Klatshadow. It has potential for much more damage output in some squads, and it has evade and more hit points - which can be significant if Klat counters like Verpine Shatter Rifle are used.

Jedi Training Droid, from Galactic Heroes





The Jedi Training Droids are fun - their Mimetic Combat Processor means that it's best to run them with a piece with good stats (Saba Sebatyne with 21 defense, 13 attack, and 30 base damage is a good call). The result is a swarm of high stat pieces that can cause some squads problems - for instance, I can't image Mace Legacy of the Light Side coping very well against a bunch of these droids. It's certainly not over the top, since they have plenty of limitations like melee attack, only one attack, and no ranged defenses, but it does open up some fun squad options.

Engineer took this squad to the top 4 at the MI Regional last year, something that noone was really expecting (Sithborg: "Still, I sort of have to laugh at the Jedi Training Droid. Wasn't exactly meant to be a power piece. Ooops???") The squad does look pretty fun - HK-47's defense boost stacks with the Mimetic Processor, so the Droids are 29 defense in cover:



Despite a Top 4 finish at a tough Regional, I do view the Jedi Training Droid as more of a spoiler build than a Tier 1 option, but they're an interesting changeup option for the New Republic. 7/10.

Thanks! I thought I remembered them doing well, but when I googled it, the first thing I found was WNY, so I figured that was the one I was thinking of.

Obi-Wan Kenobi, Jedi Spirit, from Alliance and Empire







The Rebels have access to a few really good uniques with a force rating and no force renewal:

Princess Leia, Rebel Commando - with Surprise Attack
Luke Skywalker, Rebel Commando - with Levitation
Jarael - can shine in Rebels with the Ithorian Commander and the Twi'lek Black Sun Vigo
Commander Luke Skywalker - with Use The Force

So despite the limitation of Speed 2, the Obi-Wan is potentially very useful. He featured in the GenCon winning squad in 2010, where he haunted Luke Rebel Commando to give him Force Renewal 1, and it fees like he does see more play than the 12 point Anakin Force Spirit, who is similar, but with Speed 4. Obi-Wan doesn't really do anything except give Force Renewal to one crucial piece, but in some squads, that can well be worth 8 points; often pieces that just do one thing well are the most efficient. Really nice sculpt too. 8/10.

As a bonus, it can be fun to play tricks with a Force Spirit - if you have a line of sight to a Force Spirit and a Diplomat (or a piece with Aggressive Negotiations), you can't attack either.

Darth Revan, from The Force Unleashed





Darth Revan is a highly coveted chase piece, who's one of the most valuable pieces in terms of dollar value - but he's a weak mini. He's a weird piece; lots of great stuff that tossed together are underwhelming. A great stat line, triple attack, dark armor, master tactician, a intuition like CE, and a +4 attack boost are all great attributes, but they add up to make a mediocre piece. As much as anything, he feels like a mash up of a couple of Imperial pieces - he has Grand Admiral Thrawn's Master Tactician, movement breaker, and stat boost for non-uniques, and he has Vader Jedi Hunter's Triple Attack and Dark Armor. He's interesting, but almost impossible to build a good squad around, even at 200 points. He's not all that tough as a front line fighter - a good 200 point squad should be able to chew through him relatively quickly it you leave him exposed, but he's way too expensive to use just as a commander.

This squad is one of the most highly discussed on Bloomilk (134 votes, average rating of 7.58) - now that the fanboyism over Revan has subsided, and a much more useful v-set version has emerged, it seems obviously awful in the cold light of day. Paying 111 points to get Revan into the Old Republic and give the Antarian Rangers a +4 attack bonus and intuition is horribly inefficient.



If you find a good use for Darth Revan, let me know, but right now he seems like a jumbled mess. Some fun stuff, but the he's definitely less than the sum of his parts, 1/10.

Sith Apprentice, from Jedi Academy





Strangely, the Sith Apprentice was released in the same set as the Sith Lord - despite their names, they are very similar with very comparable costs, stats, and hit points - the Apprentice has Throw and Force Grip 1 while the Lord has Lightning and Assault. Because the Sith have access to Holosid and his force point bonanza, both of these pieces have access to plenty of Force Points to reuse their powers - the Sith Lord is the stronger piece since Force Lightning 2 is very good. But continuous Lightsaber Throws is also a fun option - it means that the Apprentice can put out 40 damage on the move, although he does really need an attack boost from something like Malak DLotS to help him hit consistently.

The Apprentice is far from the worst piece out there, and could work as a passable support attacker in some builds, but he is overshadowed by the Sith Lord in the same set and is much more likely to get on the table as a proxy for Darth Bandon than to get played in their own right, 5/10.

Thank GOD she doesn't have stealth!!! That would make her an 11. She SHOULD be vulnerable to being killed pretty easily. She's still harder to kill than Lobot, it does take a 30 damage shot with a higher attack to kill her. Anytime you open a door with Lobot, you have to be equally careful (if not more-so).

I do think early on in her design, it was suggested that she have stealth. We quickly realized how insane that would be, plug and play with Nom Anor.

It's tough creating a piece that was meant to compete with Lobot. She actually turned out stronger than I wanted her to (I was one of the designers on this set). The others kept saying - but if she doesn't havve at least these certain things: (fill in the blank), I'd never play her over Lobot. Well Lobot is EASILY one of the best pieces in the game. So to compete with that you have to do something awesome.

Graham, you nailed it in that it was specific intent to have a non-heresy option to Lobot (no droids or cyborgs in the Vong!) That was a long time coming. But she was one of the toughest design balances we had in vset 7.

It's funny - as a designer, you have to compromise and pick your fights all the time. There were others fighting for her not to have outsider. I entrenched myself and swore this was a fight I would not give up on. If it had to be THE fight, I would make it so. It would be wrong not to have her with outsider on so many levels. Frankly, I didn't want her Vong at all. I wanted her to be NR w/ Vong afinity., or at least Fringe - with boosts that would encourage her to be played with Vong. But I lost that battle. So she had to have outsider. HAD TO. She could have gotten so stupid otherwise, not to mention SHE WASN'T YUUZHAN VONG! She was a human, who was USED by the Vong, and they disposed of her when she was no longer useful. She WAS an OUTSIDER.

Anyway - I digress. My hope was for her to be an option for Vong purisits, fun or themed games, etc. She ended up being a top tier competitive piece, but thank goodness she didn't get STEALTH or not have OUTSIDER. Bullet dodged there.

Luke Skywalker, Hero of Yavin, from Alliance and Empire






Luke Hero of Yavin was the first medium based shooter to have double and twin attack - arguably a significant milestone, as subsequent double/twin shooters like Rex, Dash Renegade Smuggler, and Cad Bane have all featured heavily in top tier teams. Luke HoY, however, is much less of a beast - he's constrained by his 60 hit points, his +8 attack, and although he can pick up evade and GMA via Rieekan and the TBSV, it doesn't come built in. He does have some interesting other abilities - with Deadly and Flurry, with force points to reroll, he is likely to get some extra attacks along the way - while Pilot allows him to pick up CEs like the Klaatoinian Captain's Speed 8 and Evade, and Jon 'Dutch' Vander's bonuses against adjacent enemies.

As a follower with double, twin, and pilot, he does have some interesting potential - if a Rebel attack boost came out, he might become more viable. But right now he's one of the weaker Rebel Lukes - the 60 hit points and +8 attack aren't strong enough to make him worthwhile, and Dash Renegade Smuggler is going to be a better piece in most situations, as well as the fact that using this Luke precludes you from using other strong pieces like Luke Rebel Commando and Luke Hero of Endor. Hero of Yavin has enough interesting abilities to build a fun squad around, but he can't bulls-eye Womp Rats as well as he claims he can in his flavour text. 5/10.