For the Wookiee, keep in mind that his damage has some scary potential in Republic and OR. They can do 80 on the run, at +17 with General Skywalker. They can benefit from Merumeru, for some Mighty Swing and Close Quarters Fighting. They really shine in OR, between Bastilla and OR Senators. Nice 100 Dam output. I will admit, I don't see much reason to use him in NR.

EDIT: Don't forget the most important part: 120 HP Bodyguards for Yoda, JM!!!

As for Kavar, you kind of have to keep Niman Mastery in mind. He is a 24 Def, and it will be difficult to knock him off it. And keep in mind, between the Exile and Bastilla, that Twin begins to look okay. And really, Jedi Mind Trick 3 will help in duels. You go first, get your Twin, then run away when their beat is activated. And now that we have a piece that could survive to use Sever Force, along with some init control for the OR, some of the big force users will have a few issues. That, and lets see what an effective stat boosting CE actually does for the OR (looking at you, OR Captain).

Glad you like them Jacen but sorry I disagree with well just about everything. Sure some nice Damage output when used with some others but does not change the fact he will not survive because of hes ridiculously low defense and a 50% chance of damaging himself every time. hes 120 hit points mean nothing in such a case. Sure on the run at plus 17, well others can do the same and last longer.

Kavar at 65 points. If used with Exile/Bastilla is over half your squad. 24 defense was good at one time but not for a long time. Hes CE might have been OK if A. it was not range 6 or B. If every OR character had a decent Attack or Defense to begin with which they do not. Hes CE is only bringing OR up to what every other factions has to begin with (Except Vong) most other factions already have better CEs or better combination of Ces at a much lower cost. Jedi Mind Trick is good and said as much, so was not ignoring it, just making a point it was costly compared to Sith Sorcery. Plus most if not all good players if facing Kaver are not going to put there characters adjacent to each other for him to use it on more than 1 character, except in sworm squads but then its only against plebs anyway. Sure still usefull and hes better with it than without, but not at 65 points.

The only redeeming factor for me is if OR gain swap at some point either this set or next. As it stands right now i would not use either of these characters. sure there are more characters to come for this set and both might be ok with them but can only go on whats out at present.

Others are free to disagree and happy for them they are getting characters they like. Cannot say i like either of these though. Still said before and will say again not everyone is going to like every character in each set. I am sure there will be ones your not keen on as well.

Ok lets brake it down to what I like and dislike

Wookie likes
Affinity.
Hits points
Attack
Cleave
Twin
Damage
All force powers

Dislike
Defense
Splash with Melee
Twin with Splash
Cleave with Splash
Cost

Kavar Likes
Hit Points
Attack
Damage
Twin
Niman Style Mastery
Force Renewal 1 MOTF 2

Dislike
EVERYTHING ELSE.

"And 14 defence is pretty normal for a non unique wookiee."

Not a 35 point one.

The Wookie I would expect to do better in a Republic squad than OR or NR, still better characters there to have though for there 35 point cost.

I will be play testing these tonight.

and not a JEDI! Isn't a jedi's defense supposed to reflect skill with a lightsaber? I was REALLY looking forward to these guys, and am a little sad. :( Even a 16 Defense would work, and a melee piece w/ Splash? - seems silly unless they have Reach2.

In testing kavar and mace windu were evenly matched. At one point Kavar even healed himself to turn back on niman. Kavars 24 starting defense is more overwhelming then you might think. That's a 28 d in cover your shooting at. Kavar is a mixed bag, he has the tools to do a lot of differant jobs. I used him with jaq and dash mainly. Jmt3 + dash and jaq pounding on someone is crazy effective.

As for the wookiee Jedi 60 damage twin sweeps with cleave + rolling cleave (yes they both work) is insane. Then factor in splash hitting bg's or pieces next to targets like doombot and his potential just goes up.

Ha, that was the first thing I thought of when I saw the stats. If played well he could spread a lot of damage around in a hurry, and get swapped out to be healed.

While he certainly seems to be better suited for Rep/OR, access to Levitate, Evade and cheap rerolled saves in NR sounds fun.

I like the wookiee quite a bit. Yes he has a low defense, but for reasons the designers have already noted it balances him out a little. I like him more for the flavor he brings to the game.. he's not your normal jedi scum. If he had access to a Def booster in NR he'd be out of control with evade, mobile and rerolls.

Master Thon, as a game piece, I think he'll be very interesting to play. But seriously, whoever thought a talking, force using, quadroped ceratopsid was a good idea should have been fired. Dark Horse let that one slip by.

Having pretty extensively tested both of these I guess I should speak up.

The Wookiee Jedi is an offensive machine. 2 of those in a squad with General Skywalker and/or Commander Ahsoka is a brutal squad concept. They can punch above their weight and take down higher cost figs fairly easily if you play the correctly. The Splash hitting them was not a big deal either. Truth is you expect them to die (14 def). YOu just have to make sure you got your money's worth before they go down. They are very fun to play.

Master Kavar is a really good mini. He is insanely hard to kill. I disagree with those who have said that he can't be effectively paired with Bastila. I have done it to really awesome effect in testing. However he does force you to make choices in squad design, and that's a good thing. The OR has badly needed a CE like his for a very long time.
A build like this:

65 Master Kavar
36 Atton 'Jaq' Rand
33 Bastila Shan, JM
28 Dash Rendar, RS
27 Lobot
09 Ugnaught Demolitionist x3

Reinforcements:
15 Mouse Droid x5
20 Salacious Crumb

That is a REALLY tough squad to beat, and there are a ton of others too, that was just my favourite

Force Heal and Heal have range "touch". Characters can "touch" themselves, so they can heal themselves.

I am genuinely enjoying this discussion!! thanks weeks for the stats :)


I disagree with wookiee jedi not being useful in NR though... sure, you can levetate mara around, but you cant have 2 maras can you :P heck, mara AND one of these guys, sign me up.