Then I definitely vote for Remote Mines. I just hope it only gets given to people that are fairly weak in the HP department.

This idea has been bouncing about my head for a few weeks now, how about this...

4HX4 Landmine
FRINGE
Size: Medium
Cost: 13
HP: --
Def: --
Atk: --

Special Abilities:
Emplacement: (Cannot move or be moved. Set up anywhere on your half of the battle map)
Mechanism: (Immune to critical hits, considered non-living; not subject to commander effects, reinforcements, or reserves special abilities)
Detonate 30: (When any character moves adjacent to this character, 30 damage to all characters within 3 squares; save 11 to reduce damage to 10, this character is then removed from play)
Phrik Hardened Casing: (Immune to standard attacks, lightsabers, flamethowers, and all force abilities)
Concussion Trigger: (This character may be targeted and defeated by Missile or Grenade abilities equal to or greater than 30, save 11)
Remote Detonation: (Replaces attacks, allied characters whose name contains Demolitionist or Engineer within 6 squares of this character may detonate this character, save 3)


I wanted all damage from special abilities like flames, Cestas, etc and force power to be ineffective, but at the same time allow a sufficiently large enough explosion (missiles 30+, grenades 30+) to be able to trigger the detonation. I hope I achieved that with the hardened casing and trigger abilities. Obviously; the damage produced, saves, cost, and/or distances can be played with as needed to make it balanced. I also thought about an ability that allowed it to take out a door when it detonates if it were adjacent, but wasn't sure how to word it properly.

I like it, too. It would definitely change the 'landscape' of a map, and potentially move the fighting to parts of maps that are less frequently used, instead of an encounter in the same place as always. I like that it makes enginners and demolitionists slightly more useful. You don't actually need Phrik Hardened Casing. Since it has no HP/Def it can't be defeated through taking damage anyway. I like that it can be detonated 3 different ways. I would say the concussion trigger should detonate it instead of immediately defeating it. I think Remote Detonation needs it wording changed unless you meant for the landmine to detonate on its own turn instead of an ally's turn.

Interesting concept but I personally would prefer it if it was defeatable through normal means - as is you could make an entire squad of these, and if the opponent doesn't have any missiles/grenades strong enough there is nothing they could do about it. That said a high Defense (perhaps it could have an ability where it "always has cover") and say Damage Reduction 30 wouldn't be out of the question.

Very good points! I forgot about some players desire to flood the field with cheap minis, defeatable by other means than missiles / grenades would be best. The high defense and damage reduction options seem appropriate.

It is a pretty neat idea, and everyone makes good points. I think I'd go with something like this:



Dropped the point cost to 10 since now it can be killed by traditional means (although with 25 Defense in cover and DR 20 it will be tough). Added "Underground", so people can shoot past it without worrying about targeting rules and it doesn't provide cover. Worked Remote Detonation into Detonate 30 so it interacts a little more cleanly and doesn't require 2 separate abilities. Concussion Trigger now just lets Missiles and Grenades ignore the DR.

I considered increasing the defense to a base 24 or 25 and giving it an ability that says it never benefits from cover, but I figure it should be harder to take out a landmine that is under a desk or in some rubble than one that's just out in a field, so letting it benefit from cover makes some sense.

To prevent easy removal of the mine with cheap fillers like Uggies and Mousies, why not add a stipulation that a Medium or larger character triggers the mine? Small characters aren't useful for swapping so the mine would still serve to funnel the key pieces in an opponent's squad.

Also, will characters with Flight detonate the mine? Conceptually they should not.

I prefer "Very Small" to "Tiny", but I do think it's better to use an SA name that is more easily re-used. Few things will be underground, but there may be other "Very Small" items that are made that shouldn't provide cover or affect targeting rules.

Wow, thanks for all the feedback. I was conflicted on flying enemies, but as stated they have such a huge advantage already, yeah looking at you Cad Bane. I'm hoping to use this in some "house rules" games. As for future V-sets, I guess its all in the hands of the new developers.

Thanks again to the V-set development team who are letting us be a part of the process that keeps the game moving forward!