First off, i feel like the rebels should always be competitive. The big 4 are the soul of the entire existence of star wars, and I feel like this game should reflect that.

That being said, while I would love new renditions of the main characters from the original trilogy, I would also really like to get some use out of the less than competitive versions we already have. Luke Cotf and Jedi are two of my favorite versions, that just can't stand up. You'd be crazy to chose either of them over Luke Commando in todays competitive play. I wish there was a way to get more use from the alternate versions. As it stands, you use Han Smuggler, Princess Leah, and Luke Commando... forget chewie or any other variation. So, it would be nice to get these guys back on the map... I'm just not sure how one would go about doing this, or if its even feasible.

I thing as suggested, they are just one good SA away from being a threat again. Han scoundrel, for one, is a fantastic piece, and I could see making a huge comeback now that reeikan has lost his throne.

One thing that irks me is that the power level of the main 4 are so much lower than many of the power houses of the other eras. I understand that Luke was not a "proper jedi" in the sense than obi-wan was in his youth, but remember, in the end, Luke did defeat vader... a significantly more powerful jedi. I'm not speaking either about his ability to "beat" him because he did not fall to vader's lure to the dark side... i'm referring to the fact that he kicked the crap out of him and took his hand.

I feel like, while luke should not be a powerhouse in the same way a mace windu piece is, i do think he should be able to compete against the big guys. If we do get a new luke, i'd like one that maybe has access to bravado, or other abilities that let him function as a threat to the high cost jedi, but not make him ungodly in comparison to all other pieces.

The more I think about it, the more I really like the idea of each of the main 4 (or 6, really, with the droids) each getting a new "signature" ability. And then using a pattern like this:

Say Han's new ability is "I'll Bet You Have".
Say Chewbacca's new ability is "Fly Casual".

Make a new Han piece w/ "I'll Bet You Have" that also grants any allied Chewie "Fly Casual"
Make a new Chewbacca piece w/ "Fly Casual" that also grants any allied Han "I'll Bet You Have"

This gives new versions of each but makes it impractical to play the two together... so it makes you play one of the older versions to get the most out of the new piece. Do something similar with Leia/Luke or with R2/3PO. To help boost only the weaker pieces, you could for example.... for Luke and Leia, you could make it so that Leia's only apply to a follower Leia (so it doesn't boost Princess Leia) and Luke's apply to a non-melee Luke (so it doesn't boost Luke RC). Otherwise, Luke RC and Princess Leia would continue to be the top choices of the older pieces.

(This idea was suggested by Lord Ball back on page 2.)

That could work... but i'd love to get Luke COTF and Luke, Jedi on the map as a playable piece. They're both melee, but don't see light over commando... and i'd hate to see them get the shaft over a wording like that.

I understand you were just giving an example, but i just want to make sure whatever the end result is that the v-set team goes with, that it applies to all lukes who are just collecting dust.

For Leia:

Inspiring Leader (This character's Commander Effect can not be disrupted by Special Abilities or Force Powers.)

Skywalker Heritage (If your squad contains a character whose name contains Luke Skywalker, this character gains 2 Force Points and is considered to have a Force Rating for the rest of the skirmish.)

For Luke:

Redemption (If an unique enemy with a Force Rating misses all of their attacks against this character in a turn, they are considered to be Redeemed and join this character's squad, save 11.)

But again, that is still limiting it to mere "Gains X". You can get so more creative than that. The stuff I posted was spur of the moment stuff. I would like such SA's to be a bit more complex than Synergy.

I really don't like the idea of designing pieces to be tier 1 just because.....

The rebels had the upper hand in most tournaments for most of SWM's run, I think their glory is over

Old Republic and Vong have just been made competitive, and you want to take that away from them?

I think players simply need to adapt.....if you expect to see Bastila then don't be CE heavy.....after awhile your opponent won't see the need for Bastila if her battle meditation isn't needed.....so he'll adapt to you.....and then after a few matches you adapt to him and start playing more commanders.....its a give and take

As an example, my best friend used to play magic the gathering competitively, and he had a squad with a 91% win rate because it was designed to kill all the other tier 1 squads

He openly admitted that if he had played his thousand dollar kill squad against my 10 dollar noob deck he would have lost because his squad was not adapted to mine, all his counters would have been useless

It's all in how you play, and learning to adapt to each other, and accepting that you can't win every game

No one is saying that. Rebels aren't in a terrible position, people just need to remember other pieces they have. That said, another point of this thread was to get opinions on putting some more focus on the main characters of the Rebels. Rebels will get more pieces. Some of them will be good, and geared toward top level pieces. Han, Leia, Luke, and Chewie should be a force to be reckoned with when played together, something that is a bit tough to do at the moment.

I think a Chewie with Impulsive Savagery, Impulsive Momentum, Impulsive Reprisal and impulsive advance would be great

Take away all his usual melee abilities and make him a So-so shooter that goes nuts

Maybe also add an ability that specifies what characters can trigger that impulsive arsenal.....because I don't think Chewie would give a dewback's cloaca if Ponda Boba died, but he certainly would if han or Luke or leia did

Maybe a new ability like this:

Vengeful Wookiee (if an allied rebel character would be defeated, for the rest of the skirmish this character gains savage, momentum, cleave, and +4 attack and +10 damage)

You could use it on other Wookiees and specify a different faction for each.....or just put in non fringe and make it work for all

Even just call the ability "berserker" so it could possibly be used by non Wookiees