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Deathwielded
Posted: Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:59:54 PM
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I'm pretty frustrated.Cursing Cursing Cursing Either my posts aren't showing up or more likely people are just ignoring them.ThumbDown Since not a single person Voted (see above posts) We will decide the winner on purely Bloomilk ratings. (even though virtually no one did that either) I kinda feel like I was trying to get a group of 4 year olds to all walk in a straight line. Seems like everyone understood that the subject was Revan (in the OR faction) but that was about it.
surf_rider56
Posted: Saturday, July 27, 2013 7:10:13 PM
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I think the problem with "voting" is that with so many links to so many stats, people wind up discussing changes they's make, or critiqing, rather than voting. Maybe printing all the stats as they are in one message on this thread and then a person can vote for x, y, and z. and whoever gets the most wins 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

Is this a possible use of the Poll for votes?

PS, my problem is I don't create characters in Bloo's custom character section; I only make cards (which probably explains why I look at stats and so often say "That'd Never fit on a card."
corranhorn
Posted: Saturday, July 27, 2013 7:41:00 PM
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Deathwielded wrote:
I'm pretty frustrated.Cursing Cursing Cursing Either my posts aren't showing up or more likely people are just ignoring them.ThumbDown Since not a single person Voted (see above posts) We will decide the winner on purely Bloomilk ratings. (even though virtually no one did that either) I kinda feel like I was trying to get a group of 4 year olds to all walk in a straight line. Seems like everyone understood that the subject was Revan (in the OR faction) but that was about it.



Without being too harsh, by this point I had no idea what we were supposed to be doing.
FlyingArrow
Posted: Saturday, July 27, 2013 8:04:20 PM
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Quote from Deathwielded:

So here is what we will do: Everyone should rate ALL of the characters in the contest AND pick their favorite character by posting on this thread (example: I thinks so-and-so is the best ,ect). Each vote (via post) counts as 1 point and the highest Rated character gets a bonus of 2 points. So we have the rest of the day to pick your fav version by voting for them and rate the characters in the contest. Then tomorrow the winner will be announced and the winner can choose the next Subject for the CCC.

Deathwielded, thanks for setting this up. Your instructions (quoted above) were in the middle of a paragraph in the middle of page 2, with nothing to draw attention to it, so I can understand why people may have missed it. Also, a one day deadline is probably too short to expect a good turnout. Quite a few people don't check in every day.

I didn't enter and I don't think I know Revan well enough to really vote, so this doesn't really affect me. Just wanted to explain what apparently happened and hopefully prevent some frustration.
pegolego
Posted: Saturday, July 27, 2013 8:13:44 PM
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surf_rider56 wrote:
I think the problem with "voting" is that with so many links to so many stats, people wind up discussing changes they's make, or critiqing, rather than voting. Maybe printing all the stats as they are in one message on this thread and then a person can vote for x, y, and z. and whoever gets the most wins 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

Is this a possible use of the Poll for votes?

PS, my problem is I don't create characters in Bloo's custom character section; I only make cards (which probably explains why I look at stats and so often say "That'd Never fit on a card."


+1 for the poll; we could list all the stats below, and a Poll could determine the winner.

Lol, if you saw how I worked my Darth Maul, Dark Apprentice (before re-trimming him) abilities on a card, you would probably laugh and cry at the same time, for it's creativeness, and yet card-jammediness (IK, not a word).
surf_rider56
Posted: Saturday, July 27, 2013 9:25:28 PM
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pegolego wrote:
surf_rider56 wrote:
I think the problem with "voting" is that with so many links to so many stats, people wind up discussing changes they's make, or critiqing, rather than voting. Maybe printing all the stats as they are in one message on this thread and then a person can vote for x, y, and z. and whoever gets the most wins 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

Is this a possible use of the Poll for votes?

PS, my problem is I don't create characters in Bloo's custom character section; I only make cards (which probably explains why I look at stats and so often say "That'd Never fit on a card."


+1 for the poll; we could list all the stats below, and a Poll could determine the winner.

Lol, if you saw how I worked my Darth Maul, Dark Apprentice (before re-trimming him) abilities on a card, you would probably laugh and cry at the same time, for it's creativeness, and yet card-jammediness (IK, not a word).


To avoid naming names, for fun I pic stats at random and copy them onto a blank card template; Two of them couldn't fit in half their force powers, never mind their CE's (and their flavor text.) One card couldn't fit all their special abilities, never mind Force powers, CE and flavor. But hey its my pet peeve. I say carry on and have fun if you enjoy it ThumpUp It's Your Revan people, play on!
SignerJ
Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2013 4:36:24 AM
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First of all, I'd like to say sorry to Deathwielded. I actually DID see your post, but I didn't have the time to vote for all of the characters and post until today. Also, I don't think one day of voting is enough -- how about voting starts on Friday and goes until Sunday, noontime? It really shouldn't take too long to tally up the votes and declare the winner.

I'll post my votes now, but first I should probably explain how I did the rating. I started it as normal, rating the characters how I would normally rate them. After that, I subtracted a point from the rating of any character whose text would not fit on a card. My ratings are:


surf_rider56 - Revan the Redeemed 7
Sorry, surf. He's really undercosted, and I have a problem with beatsticks that have Force Renewal 3.

saber1 - Revan, Prodigal Knight 8
I can't really explain it, but the piece just feels like an 8.

DieAndBeMetal - Revan, Old Republic Hero 7
I rated this an 8 because of various things, such as the non-functional CE, the double faction symbols, the seemingly-random Intuition, the super-high stats, and the lack of an overall weakness. (I really like the Stasis Force Power, though.) I then subtracted a point because the text cannot fit on one card.

Deathwielded - Revan, Retrained Jedi 7
This piece was a 7. Sorry, Deathwielded. Levitation seemed a bit weird for a Revan (though I understand why you had it there), but it was Quick Learner which caused the low rating. The SA is not done very well.

pastorbudwine@mac.com - Revan, Reborn 6
Started as a 7, dropped to a 6 because the text could not fit on a card. Why not just make him an EPIC, instead of stacking the card? Master Force Absorb is not done well, I've never liked the Lightsaber Mastery SA, and the CE is a bit weird. I didn't check whether the cost is too low or not, but corranhorn thinks it is, and that is good enough for me (in this situation). And I don't like Revan from the Revan book.

SignerJ - Revan, Crusader X
I don't rate my own characters. However, if anyone is wondering, the text does fit on a card.

AndyHatton - Revan, Galactic Hero 9
I like everything about this piece. The rating started at a 10, but dropped to 9 because the text would not be able to fit on a card.

Darthbane53 - Leebowitz Genstine 8
I like the piece, though Stasis is a problem, and the stuff with Canderous could use better wording.

Corranhorn - Revan, Savior of the Galaxy 7
The rating started out as an 8, but was dropped to a 7 because the text would not be able to fit on a card. I don't really have anything else to say. Sorry, corranhorn.


Those are my ratings. For my favorite? Hmm... Probably Revan, Galactic Hero.


EDIT:
Deathwielded wrote:
I'm pretty frustrated.Cursing Cursing Cursing Either my posts aren't showing up or more likely people are just ignoring them.ThumbDown


Haha, Deathwielded, now you feel my pain. I've been trying to get that Community Booklet off the ground for weeks, but no one seems to be bothering to do anything. At this rate, I'm going to be forced to do everything myself.
corranhorn
Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2013 5:49:11 AM
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Meh. I'd rather make an interesting and unique piece, even if it means it won't fit on a card. To each his own, I guess.
surf_rider56
Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2013 6:14:58 AM
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corranhorn wrote:
Meh. I'd rather make an interesting and unique piece, even if it means it won't fit on a card. To each his own, I guess.


That's why I say whatever rows yoyr boat; It's My pet peeve, doesn't have to be yours. BlooMilk
corranhorn
Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2013 6:44:12 AM
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surf_rider56 wrote:
corranhorn wrote:
Meh. I'd rather make an interesting and unique piece, even if it means it won't fit on a card. To each his own, I guess.


That's why I say whatever rows yoyr boat; It's My pet peeve, doesn't have to be yours. BlooMilk



That wasn't directed at you, surf, nor at anyone else n particular. I love your cards.
Cassus fett
Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2013 6:47:33 AM
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So who's the next character?
pegolego
Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2013 6:54:47 AM
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corranhorn wrote:
Meh. I'd rather make an interesting and unique piece, even if it means it won't fit on a card. To each his own, I guess.


I prefer to do both Tongue
corranhorn
Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2013 6:56:51 AM
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pegolego wrote:
corranhorn wrote:
Meh. I'd rather make an interesting and unique piece, even if it means it won't fit on a card. To each his own, I guess.


I prefer to do both Tongue



So do I...when possible.
AndyHatton
Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2013 7:30:03 AM
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@Deathwielded, It was only Sunday morning, I think people were under the impression that they had until tonight. and CorranHorn and I were at the DE regional all day yesterday.

This is a tough choice, lots of fantastic entries but I really like Saber1's Revan, Prodigal Knight for the stuff it does for the OG Bastilla.
DieAndBeMetal
Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2013 12:57:18 PM
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I'll post the stats for my Revan, as well as defend the reasonings for his powers.

Revan, Old Republic Hero 68
Hit Points: 120
Defense: 21
Attack: 16
Damage: 20
Rarity: Very Rare
Base: Medium
Gender: Male
Creator: DieAndBeMetal
Special Abilities
Melee Attack, Twin Attack
Lightsaber Duelist (+4 Defense when attacked by an adjacent enemy with a Force rating)
Master Tactician (You automatically choose who goes first except on a roll of 1)
Intuition (Once per round, after initiative is determined, this character can immediately move up to his speed before any other character activates)
Mettle (If this character spends 1 Force point to reroll, add +4 to the result)
Force Powers
Force 3
Force Renewal 1 (This character gets 1 Force point each time he activates)
Master of the Force 2 (May spend Force points up to 2 times in a single turn)
Lightsaber Assault (Force 1, replaces attacks: Make 2 attacks)
Master Speed (Force 1: This character can move 6 extra squares on his turn as part of his move)
Lightsaber Defense (Force 1: When hit by an attack, this character takes no damage with a save of 11)
Stasis (Force 2, usable only on this character's turn: Range 6: Target enemy is activated this round and cannot make attacks of oppourtunity, save 16.)
Commander Effect
Droids are subject to this effect. Characters withing 6 squares named Bastila, Carth, HK-47, Zaalbar, T3-M4, Mission Vao, Juhani, or Jolee Bindo gain +4/+4

I understand that this piece would be considered Tier 1 in competitive play. But, shouldn't Revan be considered in the Old Republic Faction? No one uses the Revanchist.

He maxes at 120 damage, and only if Bastila is on. This also takes into consideration if the opponent has force absorb or force defense. Also, for 68 points, 120 is nice, but pretty standard (compared to Mara Jade or other 120 dealers).

Lightsaber Duelist is for his proficiency in combat against other Jedi/Sith. Pretty explanatory.

I see Revan as being the ultimate strategist in battle. A Jedi Sherlock Holmes, if you will. Thus why i gave him Master Tact and Intuition. He has the first choice before anyone to make action (in most situations anyway). It's extremely powerful, but remember. He is costed at 68.

I gave him Mettle due to his Hero status. Gives him slightly more stability.

Force 3 with only Renewal 1 will keep him force starved, which is his weakness. Shoot him a lot and he will drop easy.

Lightsaber Assualt gives him his attacking power in order to deal some damage. Without it, he pretty much maxes at 60 dmg.

Master Speed is the only ability about him that kinda worries me. Makes him a HUGE movement breaker. Mix it with Intuition, and he can end up moving 24 squares and still attack at the beginning of a round.

Lightsaber Defense is a standard ability on Jedi.

Now Stasis i made to be like JMT, but with a little more oompf. It's powerful for sure, but will force starve him like crazy.

The commander effect I know isn't that great, but I didn't want to make it too good. He didn't need to be a follower, but he also didn't need to be too powerful with a really good CE. It also promotes making an actual Knights of the Old Republic Squad, which is awesome in my eyes.

DieAndBeMetal
Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:02:35 PM
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By the way, my vote goes to surf rider's custom. I like it a lot, minus MotF3 and Renewal 3 on him. Makes him about impossible to hit, due to rerolls on parry and Absorb energy healing him back up.
corranhorn
Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2013 1:22:50 PM
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My ratings/votes:


Andy's Revan, Galactic Hero: Everything about this piece is great. I really like Adept Repair as well. 10
surf's Revan the Redeemed: A bit underpriced and practically invincible. I like the flavor, though. 7
DB53's Leebowitz Genstine: A cool piece, well balanced. Stasis is a bit wonky atm but I really like Power Attack. 8
Sig's Revan, Crusader: Good piece. I like the SAs and CE a lot. MasTac should be considered very carefully, though, considering the OR's strengths as a faction. 7.5 or 8
The Pastor's Revan, Reborn: Pretty undercosted and the card is positively stacked. Good representation of Revan, however. 7
DieAndBeMetal's Revan, Old Republic Hero: He's too powerful, imo. The ability to move 6 with Intuition, go first, move 12 with Master Speed and hit with 4 attacks, then sit there with high Defense and good defensive capabilities is too strong for a piece with so many other strengths. And no offense but rating your own piece, especially as a 10, when the contest was originally supposed to be determined by ratings is a cheap move. 7
saber's Revan, Prodigal Knight: I love that he boost the original Bastila so much. A solid piece in his own right, but while DL3 was available in KotOR it's not something I usually associate with Revan. That's a minor point of contention at best, though. 8
Deathwielded's Revan, Retrained Jedi: Better than most are giving it credit for, to be sure. Quick Learner needs to be cleaned up but it's a very cool and unique idea. Levitation is, I'm guessing, based on the cutscenes of him during his training. Mighty Swing seems a bit weird, though. He seems a bit vulnerable for cost, too, but he still gets a solid 8.

My overall vote goes to Andy's Revan, Galactic Hero.
DieAndBeMetal
Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2013 2:08:32 PM
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corranhorn wrote:
My ratings/votes:


Andy's Revan, Galactic Hero: Everything about this piece is great. I really like Adept Repair as well. 10
surf's Revan the Redeemed: A bit underpriced and practically invincible. I like the flavor, though. 7
DB53's Leebowitz Genstine: A cool piece, well balanced. Stasis is a bit wonky atm but I really like Power Attack. 8
Sig's Revan, Crusader: Good piece. I like the SAs and CE a lot. MasTac should be considered very carefully, though, considering the OR's strengths as a faction. 7.5 or 8
The Pastor's Revan, Reborn: Pretty undercosted and the card is positively stacked. Good representation of Revan, however. 7
DieAndBeMetal's Revan, Old Republic Hero: He's too powerful, imo. The ability to move 6 with Intuition, go first, move 12 with Master Speed and hit with 8 attacks, then sit there with high Defense and good defensive capabilities is too strong for a piece with so many other strengths. And no offenses but rating your own piece, especially as a 10, when the contest was originally supposed to be determined by ratings is a cheap move. 7
saber's Revan, Prodigal Knight: I love that he boost the original Bastila so much. A solid piece in his own right, but while DL3 was available in KotOR it's not something I usually associate with Revan. That's a minor point of contention at best, though. 8
Deathwielded's Revan, Retrained Jedi: Better than most are giving it credit for, to be sure. Quick Learner needs to be cleaned up but it's a very cool and unique idea. Levitation is, I'm guessing, based on the cutscenes of him during his training. Mighty Swing seems a bit weird, though. He seems a bit vulnerable for cost, too, but he still gets a solid 8.

My overall vote goes to Andy's Revan, Galactic Hero.


I respect your opinion. I also thought those ratings didn't matter, so don't take it as a cheap move for sure. Also, how can revan do 8 attacks? Lightsaber Assualt replaces attacks, which means 4 attacks is max. I understand his movement is crazy good. As i think it should be. OR don't have a true movement breaker.
corranhorn
Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2013 2:10:47 PM
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DieAndBeMetal wrote:
corranhorn wrote:


I respect your opinion. I also thought those ratings didn't matter, so don't take it as a cheap move for sure.


Ah, ok. Yeah, it was easy to misunderstand the voting system at first.
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Also, how can revan do 8 attacks?


That was a typo. Tongue Fixed it in my post.

[quote] I understand his movement is crazy good. As i think it should be. OR don't have a true movement breaker.


Debatable, but you're entitled to your opinion and it's your call as the designer.
Cassus fett
Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2013 4:16:25 PM
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blasted I lost my entire review comment. In short I vote for SignerJ's
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