1. Not enough Damage output. Dooku's damage is not that great. Sidious only does damage when he is in killing range, and even then, that now puts a lot of strain on Force points. One single shooter. Sure, you can add another from Lobot, but as I already pointed out, since Dooku doesn't have great output himself, you have to make it up from range. 1 (maybe 2) doesn't cut it.

2. Lack of synergy. A BDO and only ONE droid? You are better off with Uggies/Mice. Seriously, a BDO is not worth it if well over have your squad are non-Droids. Seps have never been to be able to truly mix Droid/Living squads together.

3. Overestimates Sidious. His explanation for Sidious might seem nice, but that is not the reality. Pawning? Sure, if you want to kill your droids for a single, non-Accurate shot, be my guest. It is worth it with Grievious, but not without. Sith Lightning? Again, Sidious is then in killing range. While giving Dooku more FP is tempting, my experiences show that 5 is often enough. Dooku is the utlimate Melee duelist, but he goes down hard against shooters. If you use more than 6 FP in a game with a balance squad construction, I would be amazed.

EDIT: If you want to see the best Dooku of Serreno squad I've seen, look up findersandteeth's Serreno squad.

Never said it was tier 1, just a concept.

Originally it had 2 ig's right in the squad but I felt like it needed lobot which could only fit in if I removed one IG. It still has the ability to bring a second, if you don't need the activations but I could completely see the justification for not useing the BDO.

It's something I wanted to play around with more but I didn't want everyone thinking seps had nothing close to good for the meta without finding something with GG, DAC.

Anyway, just an idea.

[quote=Sithborg
EDIT: If you want to see the best Dooku of Serreno squad I've seen, look up findersandteeth's Serreno squad.[/quote]

http://bloomilk.com/Squads/View.aspx?ID=37897

His squad is just mine with Lobot. Generally, when making squads, I start with what I wan in the original, and then when I play in tournaments with it I decide if I want Lobot or not. You should know that by now Scott.

He even told you it was my squad, adapted with Lobot.....

Anyways, since it was brought up, it isn't top tier. Sorry guys. It might be the best I can do with Soreno, but it's not going to cut it, even against GOWK. The damage output is too low, and Dooku gets pasted by shooters really fast. The FPs are not an issue, as using all 5 is pretty tough as is - which makes any Sidious build subpar IMO. There is also no reason at all to be using IG droids, when you get virtually the same thing with the TBSV, with access to twin, and no need for the BDO anymore.

The only way this squad can win is if you get lucky on some key inits, and Jarael can stun. Otherwise, its not going to work.

But I had to be able to say I did my best with Dooku, so I could accurately tell people calling him a "viable counter to GOWK" that it just isn't so.

It's tough to work with Serenno for 150pt... but it's manageable

--Serenno GOWK-Counter 150--
51 Count Dooku of Serenno
36 Darth Sidious
42 GenoHaradan Assassin x2
10 San Hill
5 Caamasi Noble
6 Ugnaught Demolitionist x2
(150pts. 8 activations)

--Kyle Katarn, Jedi Battlemaster--
54 Kyle Katarn, Jedi Battlemaster
26 Kyp Durron
23 General Wedge Antilles
18 Twi'lek Black Sun Vigo
10 Luke Skywalker, Force Spirit
9 General Dodonna
3 Mouse Droid
6 Ugnaught Demolitionist x2
(149pts. 9 activations)

(Created By: Lambalazar)

I think this is another idea people could play with and tweak. Has some nice abilities to fight LV and GOWK squads. It gave me a couple ideas to play around with.

--Big K and Lil K--
54 Kyle Katarn, Jedi Battlemaster
27 Lobot
26 Kyp Durron
23 General Wedge Antilles
9 General Dodonna
5 Caamasi Noble
3 Mouse Droid
3 Ugnaught Demolitionist

Lobot:
17 T3-M4
3 Ugnaught Demolitionist
(150pts. 10 activations)


--Galactic Valor--
50 Han Solo, Galactic Hero
27 Lobot
26 Kyp Durron
23 Jolee Bindo
9 General Dodonna
9 Mouse Droid x3
6 Ugnaught Demolitionist x2

Lobot:
17 T3-M4
3 Ugnaught Demolitionist
(150pts. 12 activations)

I wanted to work some override into the squad. I love a free t3-m4 because he is such a target and flamethrower is nice bonus with Gowk running around and less accurate in the meta. Still dropping lobot to directly put t3 and Luke FS in may not be a bad idea.

Jolee Bindo: I constantly debate whether to put Jolee Bindo or Wedge in NR squads. Too many...this may sound crazy. But often enough it seems like I end up basing most of the figs that I would wnat to be evading anyway. Also NR has so many options that have nice attack and def but not quite great, so +2/+2 is about perfect. But for me, I feel like Bindo is a waste if I just use him for the CE. I almost always charge him 12 squares and try to force stun and then set him up to be a wall of HP with avoid defeat or force them to take some aoo's from him.

Besides the fact she is a ugly...very ugly mini...I will try not to laugh : )

She may actually be better in the current meta simply because she has an auto damage power...and most of the reason we think the piece is so bad, is because the other Mara was so much better at the time. But with the init changes and addition of GOWK...she will likely be played much less.

So I suppose the question this present is...Is there an NR build that includes Mara Jade Skywalker that is better than the other NR squads?

Honestly, the answer is probably still "No". She brings very little into games against LV, or Vong. Her stealth, renewel and push are helpful against some of the GOWK squads, but I don't think that makes her useful in enough of the matchups we are likely to see.

here i go again...

--General's Orders--
62 Boba Fett, Bounty Hunter
55 General Obi-Wan Kenobi
12 Quarren Assassin
9 R2-D2, Astromech Droid
3 Mouse Droid
9 Ugnaught Demolitionist x3
(150pts. 8 activations)

Everyone is starting to gear up for regionals. Got a couple games in lately. Played count the pawns vs RBR on vassal and I played my galactic valor vs the suggested vong squad. All of the squads are feeling pretty tough.


--Rieekan's Broken Rebels--
47 Shaak Ti, Jedi Master
28 Luke Skywalker, Hoth Pilot Unleashed
27 Han Solo, Smuggler
14 General Rieekan
9 General Dodonna
8 Juno Eclipse
8 R2-D2
9 Ugnaught Demolitionist x3
(150pts. 10 activations)

vs

--Count the Pawns--
51 Count Dooku of Serenno
36 Darth Sidious
27 Lobot
17 IG-86 Assassin Droid
10 San Hill
9 Battle Droid Officer

Lobot:
11 Human Bodyguard
9 Ugnaught Demolitionist x3
(150pts. 10 activations)





--Galactic Valor--
50 Han Solo, Galactic Hero
27 Lobot
26 Kyp Durron
23 Jolee Bindo
9 General Dodonna
9 Mouse Droid x3
6 Ugnaught Demolitionist x2

Lobot:
17 T3-M4
3 Ugnaught Demolitionist
(150pts. 12 activations)

vs

--Vong JHs 150--
21 Yuuzhan Vong Shaper
80 Yuuzhan Vong Jedi Hunter x4
19 Yomin Carr
10 Twi'lek Bodyguard
8 Wicket
3 Mouse Droid
9 Ugnaught Demolitionist x3
(150pts. 12 activations)


Against the vong I pulled in an IG-86 with lobot which made a huge difference. I think Lobot may end up being a very Key piece in the new meta because alot of squads need the ability to customize. So as a general suggestion, see if you can work in Lobot to your squads design. bring in the activations when you need it, bring in the BG when the situation calls for it, use t3 or another auto damage piece to help with GOWK or bring in an IG + MD to help mess with vong.

Not sure if any other reinforcement piece would make much difference...wat tambor and RS jabba don't seem to do enough for their points. But if you have an idea, try it out.

Killing things isn't what makes the Obi/Fett, BH combo annoying. It is that is extremely tough to kill. You will have a rough time killing the 127 pts that those 2 figs represent. Whereas killing 24+ pts is perfectly fine for the Obi/Fett player.